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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8645968" data-attributes="member: 7023840">I apologize (sincerely) if that was snarky. That was not my intent. This is my third post on this topic in this thread, and I have discussed this repeatedly on prior threads.It's a subject that I do find frustrating, simply because the objective/subjective difference* is fairly stark when it comes to most things that are being discussed. In other words, if something is being discussed and argued about, it almost, by definition, cannot be something that can be objectively determined through use of an agreed-upon outside referent. (The only reason I say almost is because, well, there are people that will argue about anything. As I have pointed out before, there is an entire thread that consists of a person arguing that working out every other day means you can work out 4 days every week. That is something that can be objectively determined, and yet ....)The difficulty I have is that there are people, in good faith, who will argue over and over again that art, music, games, and so on ... the quality of those things can be objectively determined. But ... that's a construct that we make. We can discuss how things affect us. We can discuss things like the technical mastery required to make something. We can (and do!) have productive conversations about what we think is better designed, or what music we like better ....Or, if you're me, you'll periodically post list of the best TV shows. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />But the quality isn't something that is objective. It's something that we can have our opinions on, and it's important to be able to identify why we have those opinions (and some opinions can be better-sourced than others), but in the end the quality of something, whether something is better or worse, will be subjective.And it's frustrating because if something was objective, then there wouldn't even be a discussion. And what fun would that be? *There are other uses of objective and subjective, like "try to be objective when you're mediating a case," or "the goal of a good journalist is to objectively report the story," but that's different uses.</blockquote>

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