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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8647293" data-attributes="member: 6795602">I think there’s one clear example of subjective in the quality discussion. What categorizations does one use.&nbsp; McDonald’s to me is clearly lower quality that a 5 star restaurant though I may enjoy McDonald’s more (not big on super fancy restaurants). But if we can’t even place them in the same category to compare then that changes everything.When I think of quality I think of 2 aspects.1. Working without breaking2. Comparative intrinsic and derived performance vs similarly categorized competitorsCompare with value. There may be certain features I recognize as top of the class ‘great quality’ that I may not value highly.&nbsp; For example I may not want to buy a very fast car a 16 year old son because speed in that case while quality is at odds with what I want out of the purchase.Or in RPG terms.&nbsp; Does D&amp;D breakdown?&nbsp; I don’t think it’s a rare occurrence for it to do so.&nbsp; But it works enough if the time that I’d give it a C+How does it stack up against the competition?&nbsp; I’d say it’s slightly above average. So C+. There’s just alot of variance in what different rpgs bring to the table - making it hard to have a really good categorization to compare similar ones.As such is I’d say we are mostly comparing d&amp;d’s value when we talk about it’s quality. And value is a very personal determination.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8647293, member: 6795602"] I think there’s one clear example of subjective in the quality discussion. What categorizations does one use. McDonald’s to me is clearly lower quality that a 5 star restaurant though I may enjoy McDonald’s more (not big on super fancy restaurants). But if we can’t even place them in the same category to compare then that changes everything. When I think of quality I think of 2 aspects. 1. Working without breaking 2. Comparative intrinsic and derived performance vs similarly categorized competitors Compare with value. There may be certain features I recognize as top of the class ‘great quality’ that I may not value highly. For example I may not want to buy a very fast car a 16 year old son because speed in that case while quality is at odds with what I want out of the purchase. Or in RPG terms. Does D&D breakdown? I don’t think it’s a rare occurrence for it to do so. But it works enough if the time that I’d give it a C+ How does it stack up against the competition? I’d say it’s slightly above average. So C+. There’s just alot of variance in what different rpgs bring to the table - making it hard to have a really good categorization to compare similar ones. As such is I’d say we are mostly comparing d&d’s value when we talk about it’s quality. And value is a very personal determination. [/QUOTE]

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