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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GrimCo" data-source="post: 9861315" data-attributes="member: 7044462">Thanks for bringing up Vampire. I was just about to bring up WoD myself.I like WW nWoD. There, all attributes are 5 point spread (6+ is possible for some supernaturals). All stats start at 1 dot. 1 Poor, 2 Average, 3 Good, 4 Exceptional, 5 Outstanding. With starting points, it's deliberate choice to start with 1 dot only. And even then, you mostly roll atribute+skill number of dices, so you can have Intelligence 1 and Occult 3 and be better at Occult stuff than someone with Int 4 and Occult 0. Catch is, system rewards untalented but skilled over talented but unskilled, since you take penalty for untrained skills. You can play your int 1 as someone who isn't fastest learner, but it's persistent enough to become very good at something. Like my IRL dear friend, who isn't really smart, has always struggled with abstract theory classes, but was very good at practical stuff and was stubborn as a mule, so she brute forced trough uni (she has bachelors in mechanical engineering). In WoD, she would be Int 1, Wis 2, Technology 4, Science 2.</blockquote>