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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8855532" data-attributes="member: 6987520">I think the issue is we have VERY different ideas of what utility abilities are. I think all the previous examples you hand-waved away ARE utilities.Can a Wizard increase his speed as a class feature? He has longstrider perhaps, but why roll for it when the Barbarian can do it all the time without a roll?Can a Wizard gain a bonus (even a small one) to non-proficient skills, tools, etc. like Bard? Perhaps enhance ability or skill empowerment but again, the Wizard is already rolling also when he makes the check, so why roll for the spell when the Bard doesn't have to roll for JoAT?Can a Wizard ignore difficult terrain in certain terrains like a Ranger? The Ranger doesn't have to roll to grant that ability to his entire party, nor does he have to check to avoid getting lost, etc. Why should the Wizard for using a spell (a limited resource) to do the same thing?Can a Wizard pull on a reserve of magic as a bonus action to gain more spell slots at need like a Sorcerer? No roll is needed by the Sorcerer to exchange those slots--no chance of failing that.Can a Wizard see in magical darkness up to 120 feet like a Warlock? Should the Wizard need to roll to cast darkvision or truesight when the Warlock has devil's sight all the time?So, you hand-wave away my examples and then accuse me sticking in a bunch of lazy, silly examples? I have not done anything that would indicate I am making this discussion in anything other than good faith. I'm glad you don't think I'm actually not, because I'm not. And frankly I think there was adequate thought/care put into my responses.EDIT: Here's another one I just thought of (not utility, but still....): Does a PC proficient in heavy armor have to make a roll to be sure it was put on properly so they gain the full AC value? If not, then why should a Wizard have to roll to successfully cast mage armor?</blockquote>

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