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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8865790" data-attributes="member: 2629">Again, so?&nbsp; I don't see the relevance of this to the point I was making.&nbsp; It is a nonsequitor to the idea to which you responded.&nbsp; Let's say a necromancer and a chronurgist were engaged in battle.&nbsp; Each has their focus.&nbsp; Let's say that each is also only limited to their focus.&nbsp; Which of the following is more evocative and interesting?Necromancer: I use Vampiric Touch ... 19 to hit ... and ... deal 22 damage.&nbsp; I heal 11.Chronurgist: I cast Slow on him.&nbsp; DC 16 Wisdom.Necromancer: 18 save.&nbsp; I cast Danse Macabre and have the 5 skeletons attack.&nbsp; 13,16,8,15,18.Chronurgist: 2 hit.Necromancer: 7 and 6 damage. Total 13.Chronurgist: OK.&nbsp; Time Ravage?&nbsp; DC 16 Constitution. 85 necrotic damage if you fail plus a buncg of effects.&nbsp; Half on a successful save.&nbsp; Necromancer: I'm resistant . Fail the save, still take 42.&nbsp; Chronurgist.&nbsp; But you die in 30 days, have disadvantage on attack rolls, saves and ability checks - and move half speed.&nbsp; You need a 9th level spell to fix it.&nbsp; Or:&nbsp; Necromancer: I use Vampiric Touch ... 19 to hit ... and ... deal 22 damage.&nbsp; I heal 11.Chronurgist: Wait a second: I cast slow as a reaction.&nbsp; When cast this way, it gives you disadvantage on the attack.&nbsp; As you rech out to hit me, I use the slow magic to give me a chance to dodge!&nbsp; Necromancer: Doh!&nbsp; 12 ... that missed, right?Chronurgist: Yup.&nbsp; OK.&nbsp; I'll go for Time Ravage.&nbsp; DC 16 Constitution. 85 necrotic damage if you fail plus a bunch of effects.&nbsp; Half on a successful save.&nbsp; Necromancer: I use Tether Essence's reaction - make a Constitution Save yourself.&nbsp; DC 17.Chronurgist: As a reaction I use Temporal Leap and jump forward 1d6 rounds in time, avoiding the Tether Essence.Necromancer: Nice.&nbsp; I'm resistant.&nbsp; I fail the save, but still take 42.Chronurgist.&nbsp; But you die in 30 days, have disadvantage on attack rolls, saves and ability checks - and move half speed.&nbsp; You need a 9th level spell to fix it.&nbsp; Necromancer: OK, but I'm casting Danse Macabre to get ready for when you reappear.This is not a new idea, but it is an idea that has never been executed well in D&amp;D.&nbsp; Instead, we drop a few reaction defense spells in the game and call it a day.&nbsp; They get kind of boring.&nbsp; I'd rather they dropped shield, absorb elements, silvery barbs, counterspell, and other reaction defense spells in favor of giving each existing spell a reaction use that was defensive or battlefield control related (grease, web, etc...)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 8865790, member: 2629"] Again, so? I don't see the relevance of this to the point I was making. It is a nonsequitor to the idea to which you responded. Let's say a necromancer and a chronurgist were engaged in battle. Each has their focus. Let's say that each is also only limited to their focus. Which of the following is more evocative and interesting? Necromancer: I use Vampiric Touch ... 19 to hit ... and ... deal 22 damage. I heal 11. Chronurgist: I cast Slow on him. DC 16 Wisdom. Necromancer: 18 save. I cast Danse Macabre and have the 5 skeletons attack. 13,16,8,15,18. Chronurgist: 2 hit. Necromancer: 7 and 6 damage. Total 13. Chronurgist: OK. Time Ravage? DC 16 Constitution. 85 necrotic damage if you fail plus a buncg of effects. Half on a successful save. Necromancer: I'm resistant . Fail the save, still take 42. Chronurgist. But you die in 30 days, have disadvantage on attack rolls, saves and ability checks - and move half speed. You need a 9th level spell to fix it. Or: Necromancer: I use Vampiric Touch ... 19 to hit ... and ... deal 22 damage. I heal 11. Chronurgist: Wait a second: I cast slow as a reaction. When cast this way, it gives you disadvantage on the attack. As you rech out to hit me, I use the slow magic to give me a chance to dodge! Necromancer: Doh! 12 ... that missed, right? Chronurgist: Yup. OK. I'll go for Time Ravage. DC 16 Constitution. 85 necrotic damage if you fail plus a bunch of effects. Half on a successful save. Necromancer: I use Tether Essence's reaction - make a Constitution Save yourself. DC 17. Chronurgist: As a reaction I use Temporal Leap and jump forward 1d6 rounds in time, avoiding the Tether Essence. Necromancer: Nice. I'm resistant. I fail the save, but still take 42. Chronurgist. But you die in 30 days, have disadvantage on attack rolls, saves and ability checks - and move half speed. You need a 9th level spell to fix it. Necromancer: OK, but I'm casting Danse Macabre to get ready for when you reappear. This is not a new idea, but it is an idea that has never been executed well in D&D. Instead, we drop a few reaction defense spells in the game and call it a day. They get kind of boring. I'd rather they dropped shield, absorb elements, silvery barbs, counterspell, and other reaction defense spells in favor of giving each existing spell a reaction use that was defensive or battlefield control related (grease, web, etc...) [/QUOTE]

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