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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8867826" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Not by default. Only if they get the spells to do it and I can prove it - Provide an example of a 1st level Wizard build that is good in all 8 of these schools using only class abilities.</p><p></p><p>"A" Wizard will not be good in all these schools. "A" Wizard can be good in ANY of these schools but not EVERY one these schools.</p><p></p><p>The Wizard class can be good at all of these, but A given Wizard can't based solely on class abilities. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not "every" caster role but rather "any" caster role. Those are two very different things.</p><p></p><p>Again provide an example of a 5th level wizard build, using only class features, that is the equivalent of the Druid in EVERY one of these areas. When I say equivalent I want this to be clear here - I want you to do a wizard build to be equivalent to the Druid in EVERY single one of these areas you mention using only the spells in his spellbook which are provided by his class (16 spells total, no more than 6 of second level or higher and no more than 2 3rd level spells)</p><p></p><p>If you can provide examples for both of these above I will shut up and color.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No again, the wizard can be good at almost "anything" magical, but he can not be good at everything magical based only on what is afforded in his class.</p><p></p><p>Further, many, many players manage to do fun things with Wizards. In addition to all the fun I have had with Wizards I have played personally, I am playing 3 campaigns with a wizard in each one of them and those players are all having fun too.</p><p></p><p>So as a point of fact players CAN do fun things with Wizards. That is not even debatable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8867826, member: 7030563"] Not by default. Only if they get the spells to do it and I can prove it - Provide an example of a 1st level Wizard build that is good in all 8 of these schools using only class abilities. "A" Wizard will not be good in all these schools. "A" Wizard can be good in ANY of these schools but not EVERY one these schools. The Wizard class can be good at all of these, but A given Wizard can't based solely on class abilities. Not "every" caster role but rather "any" caster role. Those are two very different things. Again provide an example of a 5th level wizard build, using only class features, that is the equivalent of the Druid in EVERY one of these areas. When I say equivalent I want this to be clear here - I want you to do a wizard build to be equivalent to the Druid in EVERY single one of these areas you mention using only the spells in his spellbook which are provided by his class (16 spells total, no more than 6 of second level or higher and no more than 2 3rd level spells) If you can provide examples for both of these above I will shut up and color. No again, the wizard can be good at almost "anything" magical, but he can not be good at everything magical based only on what is afforded in his class. Further, many, many players manage to do fun things with Wizards. In addition to all the fun I have had with Wizards I have played personally, I am playing 3 campaigns with a wizard in each one of them and those players are all having fun too. So as a point of fact players CAN do fun things with Wizards. That is not even debatable. [/QUOTE]
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