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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8869064" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I do not believe the people posting on this forum are a representative sample of all&nbsp; the people playing D&amp;D and I do not believe their reported experiences are congruent with the majority of people playing D&amp;D.I stand by what I said - I do not believe Wizards are a problem on the majority of tables and there is no objective evidence to refute that opinion.&nbsp; There are lots of anecdotes, but that is all.&nbsp;By the way, I have been playing D&amp;D since 1980, which beats your 20 years by more than double ..... not that it matters to this discussion.Yet shouting others down is exactly what those who claim there is a problem with Wizards are trying to do.&nbsp; I readily admit that Wizards are a problem at some tables (which I believe are a minority), based on the testimony on this thread and forum.However, there are other people on this forum that use superlatives like &quot;this is why Wizards dominate every encounter&quot; and &quot;Players can't have fun with them in the party&quot;.Both of these statements are objectively false, they are not a matter of opinion, yet those that say them get upvoted as if they were true statements that were somehow relevant to this discussion.&nbsp; This represents the epitome of shouting others down and trying to use the popularity of an argument, and a factually false premise, instead of using reason and the underlying logic of the argument.Finally, I will note that homebrew and choosing/limited magic items are easy available avenues to nerf a Wizard to meet your needs if this really is a problem at your table, and these are both generally easier to do mechanically than it would be to go the other way and add back in mechanics for things that are removed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8869064, member: 7030563"] I do not believe the people posting on this forum are a representative sample of all the people playing D&D and I do not believe their reported experiences are congruent with the majority of people playing D&D. I stand by what I said - I do not believe Wizards are a problem on the majority of tables and there is no objective evidence to refute that opinion. There are lots of anecdotes, but that is all. By the way, I have been playing D&D since 1980, which beats your 20 years by more than double ..... not that it matters to this discussion. Yet shouting others down is exactly what those who claim there is a problem with Wizards are trying to do. I readily admit that Wizards are a problem at [I][B]some[/B][/I] tables (which I believe are a minority), based on the testimony on this thread and forum. However, there are other people on this forum that use superlatives like [I]"this is why Wizards dominate [U]every[/U] encounter"[/I] and [I]"Players[/I][U][I] can't have fun [/I][/U][I]with them in the party"[/I][U][I].[/I][/U] Both of these statements are objectively false, they are not a matter of opinion, yet those that say them get upvoted as if they were true statements that were somehow relevant to this discussion. This represents the epitome of shouting others down and trying to use the popularity of an argument, and a factually false premise, instead of using reason and the underlying logic of the argument. Finally, I will note that homebrew and choosing/limited magic items are easy available avenues to nerf a Wizard to meet your needs if this really is a problem at your table, and these are both generally easier to do mechanically than it would be to go the other way and add back in mechanics for things that are removed. [/QUOTE]

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