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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 8869171" data-attributes="member: 6684958">Right, by the game rules Wizard superior, all other classes suck.&nbsp; My point is the game is wrong too.&nbsp; Wizards can easy button past magical darkness, so it's right there to be used.&nbsp; And not only do the modern rules not have lots of things the wizard can not easy button, but it never says anything like &quot;create your own stuff&quot;.Yea, and the Grod thing is false and wrong in many ways.&nbsp; Though sure making something a &quot;nuisance&quot; is wrong as the real answer is to crank it up to 11.&nbsp; Oh did the wizards spell get absorbed by the monster to make it more powerful...well, darn, just sucks to be a wizard, eh.&nbsp; You and 'grod' just dive right for the negative: do things MY WAY or it's automatically wrong.&nbsp; You know, like having mature adult players that can accept that the wizard has to share the spotlight and can't do everything AND that will be part of the scaled game world.&nbsp; The group has to fight a monster in an anti magic cave....the wizard player does NOT break down and cry, regretting he picked a wizard character...they just accept that this fight they won't &quot;do much&quot;, if they feel they &quot;can't&quot; do anything other then magic.My response here is to scale up the game.&nbsp; Note the problem here: why are both the 2nd level group and the 8th level group exploring the same type of boring mundane chasm?&nbsp; 5E does make a point for character tiers, but makes a poor telling of explaining it, even more so for DMs.&nbsp; Why would &quot;heroes of the Realm&quot; be doing something so mundane as &quot;just explore that chasm&quot;.&nbsp; Heroes of the Realm should be exploring that fifth dimensional void space chasm that opened right above the kings castle.&nbsp; And oh...can you just easy peeasy 'pop' to the other side of a fifth dimensional void space chasm....hahahahahah..nope <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> &nbsp;The simple thing is just scale things up.&nbsp; At 18th it's a Time Chasm, for example.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 8869171, member: 6684958"] Right, by the game rules Wizard superior, all other classes suck. My point is the game is wrong too. Wizards can easy button past magical darkness, so it's right there to be used. And not only do the modern rules not have lots of things the wizard can not easy button, but it never says anything like "create your own stuff". Yea, and the Grod thing is false and wrong in many ways. Though sure making something a "nuisance" is wrong as the real answer is to crank it up to 11. Oh did the wizards spell get absorbed by the monster to make it more powerful...well, darn, just sucks to be a wizard, eh. You and 'grod' just dive right for the negative: do things MY WAY or it's automatically wrong. You know, like having mature adult players that can accept that the wizard has to share the spotlight and can't do everything AND that will be part of the scaled game world. The group has to fight a monster in an anti magic cave....the wizard player does NOT break down and cry, regretting he picked a wizard character...they just accept that this fight they won't "do much", if they feel they "can't" do anything other then magic. My response here is to scale up the game. Note the problem here: why are both the 2nd level group and the 8th level group exploring the same type of boring mundane chasm? 5E does make a point for character tiers, but makes a poor telling of explaining it, even more so for DMs. Why would "heroes of the Realm" be doing something so mundane as "just explore that chasm". Heroes of the Realm should be exploring that [I]fifth dimensional void space chasm [/I]that opened right above the kings castle. And oh...can you just easy peeasy 'pop' to the other side of a [I]fifth dimensional void space chasm....[/I]hahahahahah..nope :( [I][/I] The simple thing is just scale things up. At 18th it's a [I]Time Chasm[/I], for example. [/QUOTE]

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