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<blockquote data-quote="W'rkncacnter" data-source="post: 8973274" data-attributes="member: 7033455">yeah, sorry, what i meant was saying PCs can have that because PCs and monsters are different is faulty reasoning. forgot a few words there.except you're still assuming most people use the &quot;standard&quot; adventuring day. they don't. your idea of a &quot;shorter adventuring day&quot; is closer to a LONG adventuring day for a lot of groups (again, i know it is for mine). for these groups, the fighter is going to be able to just flat out succeed on any saving throw effects for the whole day. that's ridiculous.not for what we want to do.yeah. yes. exactly.i mean i get now that my issue was i was forgetting to account for the initial second wind from leaving a long rest but why did you write it like this?anyway, i was also adding con to the second wind. done properly my numbers should've been about 475 hp, and yours should be <a href="https://anydice.com/program/2e7cd" target="_blank">about 500</a>.although, again, we're still assuming most groups play with the full adventuring day.you raised the number. i was just checking it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="W'rkncacnter, post: 8973274, member: 7033455"] yeah, sorry, what i meant was saying PCs can have that because PCs and monsters are different is faulty reasoning. forgot a few words there. except you're still assuming most people use the "standard" adventuring day. they don't. your idea of a "shorter adventuring day" is closer to a LONG adventuring day for a lot of groups (again, i know it is for mine). for these groups, the fighter is going to be able to just flat out succeed on any saving throw effects for the whole day. that's ridiculous. not for what we want to do. yeah. yes. exactly. i mean i get now that my issue was i was forgetting to account for the initial second wind from leaving a long rest but why did you write it like this? anyway, i was also adding con to the second wind. done properly my numbers should've been about 475 hp, and yours should be [URL='https://anydice.com/program/2e7cd']about 500[/URL]. although, again, we're still assuming most groups play with the full adventuring day. you raised the number. i was just checking it. [/QUOTE]

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