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<blockquote data-quote="bert1001 fka bert1000" data-source="post: 8973320" data-attributes="member: 7029588">They definitely need to be innately magic infused/mythical unless you use meta currency like Fate points.&nbsp;&nbsp; But they don't need to be D&amp;D spellcasters.It would also help to be able to use all different kinds of mechanics including dailies, narrative, effect based, etc without it being labeled spells.&nbsp;&nbsp; Spells have taken up so much design space that there is going to be some overlap in mechanics/effect I suppose.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't really see 'knock off caster' though unless they are actually casting spells, have the&nbsp; exact same cadance, and same narrative permission.For example, I would see no problem with a more open ended martial ability that lets someone get from point A to point B within 120' ignoring action economy if they or the narrative could possibly accomodate it in an action hero way x times a day.&nbsp;&nbsp; So sort of a poor man's dimension door.&nbsp;&nbsp; The hero could jump, swing, parkor, etc. AND the DM would help if needed and feasible -- the dragon swoops by at just the right moment and you jump on its head but it shrugs you off and you land at the mouth of the cave.&nbsp; &nbsp; High level action movement without worrying about number of ft., rolling a jump check, etc.&nbsp; &nbsp; This is worse than dimension door but gets closer to the kind of agency and power that spells give, but still in the martial realm.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You probably do have to have abilities that aren't character abilities to have some of these powerful dailies for martials.&nbsp; &nbsp; The ability is a game ability and the player controls the confluence of skill, timing, fate etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; But the game already has that -- why does the Barbarian rage now?&nbsp; &nbsp; Why can the Battlemaster only use this X/times a day?&nbsp;&nbsp; Just fully move on to these as abstract modeling and don't even pretend to map them 1-1.I know some people hate this but it would make designing mythic martials so much easier.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bert1001 fka bert1000, post: 8973320, member: 7029588"] They definitely need to be innately magic infused/mythical unless you use meta currency like Fate points. But they don't need to be D&D spellcasters. It would also help to be able to use all different kinds of mechanics including dailies, narrative, effect based, etc without it being labeled spells. Spells have taken up so much design space that there is going to be some overlap in mechanics/effect I suppose. I don't really see 'knock off caster' though unless they are actually casting spells, have the exact same cadance, and same narrative permission. For example, I would see no problem with a more open ended martial ability that lets someone get from point A to point B within 120' ignoring action economy if they or the narrative could possibly accomodate it in an action hero way x times a day. So sort of a poor man's dimension door. The hero could jump, swing, parkor, etc. AND the DM would help if needed and feasible -- the dragon swoops by at just the right moment and you jump on its head but it shrugs you off and you land at the mouth of the cave. High level action movement without worrying about number of ft., rolling a jump check, etc. This is worse than dimension door but gets closer to the kind of agency and power that spells give, but still in the martial realm. You probably do have to have abilities that aren't character abilities to have some of these powerful dailies for martials. The ability is a game ability and the player controls the confluence of skill, timing, fate etc. But the game already has that -- why does the Barbarian rage now? Why can the Battlemaster only use this X/times a day? Just fully move on to these as abstract modeling and don't even pretend to map them 1-1. I know some people hate this but it would make designing mythic martials so much easier. [/QUOTE]

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