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What is/should be the Ranger's "thing"?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 6664557" data-attributes="member: 6786252"><p>You're misrepresenting and exaggerating other arguments. That is, by definition, a strawman. </p><p></p><p> You're the only one suggesting "broken" rangers. So, you're the one with the burden of proof. Run all the numbers and give an analysis on why this is flat out superior to, oh... lets say an eldritch knight with a familiar ritual, and then with a book warlock, in a wide variety of situations. And be sure to include all the numbers for all three pillars, and keep an eye on Concentration effects and the action economy.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Oh, I don't know... <em>class features</em>? Like how the sorcerer gets metamagic options at so many levels, or the warlock gets invocations, or the fighter gets extra feats/attribute bumps, or that the barbarian gets Reckless Attack or Savage Critical, the bard gets Inspirations and Songs... Or how about the paladin auras? </p><p></p><p>In short, you're saying that other classes can have nice stuff as they level, but the ranger can't without paying a penalty. Which is just silly. </p><p> Riiiiiight. Because Aquaman doesn't have his army of fish to call upon at will, doesn't have Mera, Aqua Lad and any number of other Atlanteans (he IS a king). </p><p></p><p></p><p> So... lets here all the reasons why the Ranger is supposedly overpowered in the wild as opposed to anywhere else. Wild claims (no pun intended) without proof is meaningless. Favored Terrain/Enemy are primarily exploration features, and I have yet to see them used to break the game. Monk and Rogue stealth abilities are generally better than the Ranger's.</p><p></p><p>The one place that the Ranger shines is very niche - a specific Hunter build that relies on at will AoE attacks. Too bad the niche overlaps with just about any other spellcaster out there.</p><p></p><p>And lets just stop pretending that anyone can't be considered overpowered when they have the time to prepare. Wizards, assassins setting up ambushes... they can all be very scary. Being prepared is a huge advantage for any class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mephista, post: 6664557, member: 6786252"] You're misrepresenting and exaggerating other arguments. That is, by definition, a strawman. You're the only one suggesting "broken" rangers. So, you're the one with the burden of proof. Run all the numbers and give an analysis on why this is flat out superior to, oh... lets say an eldritch knight with a familiar ritual, and then with a book warlock, in a wide variety of situations. And be sure to include all the numbers for all three pillars, and keep an eye on Concentration effects and the action economy. Oh, I don't know... [I]class features[/I]? Like how the sorcerer gets metamagic options at so many levels, or the warlock gets invocations, or the fighter gets extra feats/attribute bumps, or that the barbarian gets Reckless Attack or Savage Critical, the bard gets Inspirations and Songs... Or how about the paladin auras? In short, you're saying that other classes can have nice stuff as they level, but the ranger can't without paying a penalty. Which is just silly. Riiiiiight. Because Aquaman doesn't have his army of fish to call upon at will, doesn't have Mera, Aqua Lad and any number of other Atlanteans (he IS a king). So... lets here all the reasons why the Ranger is supposedly overpowered in the wild as opposed to anywhere else. Wild claims (no pun intended) without proof is meaningless. Favored Terrain/Enemy are primarily exploration features, and I have yet to see them used to break the game. Monk and Rogue stealth abilities are generally better than the Ranger's. The one place that the Ranger shines is very niche - a specific Hunter build that relies on at will AoE attacks. Too bad the niche overlaps with just about any other spellcaster out there. And lets just stop pretending that anyone can't be considered overpowered when they have the time to prepare. Wizards, assassins setting up ambushes... they can all be very scary. Being prepared is a huge advantage for any class. [/QUOTE]
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