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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6665872" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>I suppose you could. It would be difficult for me to identify an FE for Merlin, however, unless it was "Sorceresses named Morgana".<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Remember, this was <em>your</em> exercise. You identified these characters as Rangers and then claimed that a Favored Enemy could not be found for them. My response was that if I were to attempt to build these characters as Rangers it would actually be quite easy to find an FE for them. I could just as easily build them as some other character class. If I were to build them as Wizards I wouldn't need to identify their FE because that has never been a class feature of the Wizard in any edition of D&D I know of.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Artemis exists to protect the wild sanctuary of the gods as she protects her own virginity. The natural enemy of such efforts is the mortal interloper who, unwittingly or no, penetrates the boundary of her privacy. If Artemis loves those she transforms into a stag and hunts to their death, she has a strange way of showing it.</p><p></p><p>Nathaniel Bumppo may be a romanticized ally of the Indians, but was Daniel Boone?</p><p></p><p>Gimli may have been as good against orcs as Aragorn, but remember he's a dwarf. It says right in the 5E PH that dwarves <em>hate</em> orcs. It's a racial trait that's been in the game since <em>Chainmail</em>. I'd actually like to see a version of FE given as a racial trait to dwarves, elves, etc. Now against a Nazgul, I think Aragorn might have had an edge over Gimli.</p><p></p><p>As for Boromir, I hardly think attempting to seize the ring and use it is proving yourself effective against Servants of the Enemy. Maybe if he had studied the stratagems and designs of Sauron more closely he might not have been ensnared in this trap.</p><p></p><p>Generally, literary characters are not well represented by D&D. They tend to have the features of many classes and are difficult to define in game terms.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How about Beowulf? He tracks Grendel out onto the heath and crosses the liminal boundary of the surface of the lake to destroy the monsters. The hero's journey often take a similar form, thus making the archetype widely applicable.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're accusing me of making Aragorn OP? This is <em>Aragorn</em> we're talking about. Besides there are lots of monsters in Middle-earth that have nothing to do with Sauron. </p><p></p><p>There's the Balrog of Moria. I don't remember Aragorn being particularly good against him. </p><p></p><p>Smaug had no allegiance to Sauron, and Aragorn is never depicted as a dragon-slayer.</p><p></p><p>There are many things that are beyond him.</p><p></p><p>And, like I said, the rules of D&D come with their own assumptions about the game-world and don't model particular works of literature very well. To set a campaign in the lands of Middle-earth would require a bit of tweaking, don't you think? Wasn't that the type of thought experiment you were engaging in when you brought up all those literary characters as examples of Rangers?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 6665872, member: 6787503"] I suppose you could. It would be difficult for me to identify an FE for Merlin, however, unless it was "Sorceresses named Morgana".:) Remember, this was [I]your[/I] exercise. You identified these characters as Rangers and then claimed that a Favored Enemy could not be found for them. My response was that if I were to attempt to build these characters as Rangers it would actually be quite easy to find an FE for them. I could just as easily build them as some other character class. If I were to build them as Wizards I wouldn't need to identify their FE because that has never been a class feature of the Wizard in any edition of D&D I know of. Artemis exists to protect the wild sanctuary of the gods as she protects her own virginity. The natural enemy of such efforts is the mortal interloper who, unwittingly or no, penetrates the boundary of her privacy. If Artemis loves those she transforms into a stag and hunts to their death, she has a strange way of showing it. Nathaniel Bumppo may be a romanticized ally of the Indians, but was Daniel Boone? Gimli may have been as good against orcs as Aragorn, but remember he's a dwarf. It says right in the 5E PH that dwarves [I]hate[/I] orcs. It's a racial trait that's been in the game since [I]Chainmail[/I]. I'd actually like to see a version of FE given as a racial trait to dwarves, elves, etc. Now against a Nazgul, I think Aragorn might have had an edge over Gimli. As for Boromir, I hardly think attempting to seize the ring and use it is proving yourself effective against Servants of the Enemy. Maybe if he had studied the stratagems and designs of Sauron more closely he might not have been ensnared in this trap. Generally, literary characters are not well represented by D&D. They tend to have the features of many classes and are difficult to define in game terms. How about Beowulf? He tracks Grendel out onto the heath and crosses the liminal boundary of the surface of the lake to destroy the monsters. The hero's journey often take a similar form, thus making the archetype widely applicable. You're accusing me of making Aragorn OP? This is [I]Aragorn[/I] we're talking about. Besides there are lots of monsters in Middle-earth that have nothing to do with Sauron. There's the Balrog of Moria. I don't remember Aragorn being particularly good against him. Smaug had no allegiance to Sauron, and Aragorn is never depicted as a dragon-slayer. There are many things that are beyond him. And, like I said, the rules of D&D come with their own assumptions about the game-world and don't model particular works of literature very well. To set a campaign in the lands of Middle-earth would require a bit of tweaking, don't you think? Wasn't that the type of thought experiment you were engaging in when you brought up all those literary characters as examples of Rangers? [/QUOTE]
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