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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8255110" data-attributes="member: 93670">What scaling on the sneak dice &amp; with what weapons?&nbsp; It's a pain to compare rogue sneak attack to other stuff because there are 20 different levels of sneak attack but you can&nbsp; pick a few breakpoints.Rangers only get 2 attacks so it's a little easier to make comparisons though.Longbow is 1d10 &amp; 20 dex is a reasonable baseline that at (5.5+5)*2=21 which works out to about the same as the level 11 rogue sneak alone or 1 attack+the level 5/6 sneak&nbsp; tacked on.&nbsp; The&nbsp; ranger might be losing out with only one attack since weapon mods won't be multiplicative any more &amp;&nbsp; it's a single all or nothing rather than two, however if the sneak die multiplies across targets hit by hail of thons once per round&nbsp; you might want to drop to the rogue 4/5&nbsp; sneak.&nbsp; If you limit it to something like a shortbow &amp; 30ish feet or crossbow rather than rogue style threatened by an ally/unaware of you going to 5/6 might be reasonable.&nbsp; You could also aim a little higher &amp; stretch it out over a longer period, rogue sneak scaling is rounddown +0.5d6/level &amp; doing something like rounddown+1/3d6 per level&nbsp; would give rogue 5 &amp; 9 sneak at 9 &amp; 15 respectively with higher levels eventually scaling to rogue 11 at 20.&nbsp; Wih rangers generally being considered weak this might not be a bad thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8255110, member: 93670"] What scaling on the sneak dice & with what weapons? It's a pain to compare rogue sneak attack to other stuff because there are 20 different levels of sneak attack but you can pick a few breakpoints. Rangers only get 2 attacks so it's a little easier to make comparisons though. Longbow is 1d10 & 20 dex is a reasonable baseline that at (5.5+5)*2=21 which works out to about the same as the level 11 rogue sneak alone or 1 attack+the level 5/6 sneak tacked on. The ranger might be losing out with only one attack since weapon mods won't be multiplicative any more & it's a single all or nothing rather than two, however if the sneak die multiplies across targets hit by hail of thons once per round you might want to drop to the rogue 4/5 sneak. If you limit it to something like a shortbow & 30ish feet or crossbow rather than rogue style threatened by an ally/unaware of you going to 5/6 might be reasonable. You could also aim a little higher & stretch it out over a longer period, rogue sneak scaling is rounddown +0.5d6/level & doing something like rounddown+1/3d6 per level would give rogue 5 & 9 sneak at 9 & 15 respectively with higher levels eventually scaling to rogue 11 at 20. Wih rangers generally being considered weak this might not be a bad thing. [/QUOTE]

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