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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8255783" data-attributes="member: 18">This is true and I totally agree and would support this argument, but I think ignoring the the two chances at SA issue (three with dual-wielding) is going to influence real-game damage more than you think.Damage in D&D is pretty easy to math out and so long as it doesn't rely on bizarre stuff, translates well into real-game terms (hence Warlocks really do do great damage with EB+AB spam etc.).If you look at the math involved in landing SA with Rogues, missing impacts the damage pretty significantly, and reducing the chance of missing SA by a significant percentage is going to have a real-game impact, especially as you're more likely to be using flanking SAs rather than Advantage SAs as a Ranger (where the impact is lower because Advantage is already factoring in). That's one subclass of course. Many of the other subclass' damage features aren't as big and could probably be retained unaltered. Swarm Ranger does 1d6 (later 1d8) extra damage on a hit 1/turn (as well as moving people), for example, so is just like your SA is slightly more powerful. The repositioning would be nice of course.</blockquote>