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<blockquote data-quote="IceBear" data-source="post: 615937" data-attributes="member: 1118">My conclusion too as that's the way that it's been since....always.If Epic Level characters were involved, I would use the optional rules for open ended dice rolls for saving throws and attack rolls (I might just use that anyway) as I can see times where the 5% chance is still too high.Edit: As to whether or not the revised rules will make the natural 1/20 &quot;core&quot;, a look at the d20 Modern rules is probably a BIG hint.Sure, blast me with your sarcasm that this isn't 3E D&amp;D, etc, etc.&nbsp; The fact that several 3E D&amp;D books from WotC mentions it, the FAQ mentions it, and the latest book from WotC mentions it, along with the historical precedent, I don't think I'm wrong.Now, about the problems using natural 1/20 might cause when used for attack/saving throws I don't think you're wrong there (and I might use the ELH open dice rules in the future myself), but it's you that's not core, not us.IceBear</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IceBear, post: 615937, member: 1118"] My conclusion too as that's the way that it's been since....always. If Epic Level characters were involved, I would use the optional rules for open ended dice rolls for saving throws and attack rolls (I might just use that anyway) as I can see times where the 5% chance is still too high. Edit: As to whether or not the revised rules will make the natural 1/20 "core", a look at the d20 Modern rules is probably a BIG hint. Sure, blast me with your sarcasm that this isn't 3E D&D, etc, etc. The fact that several 3E D&D books from WotC mentions it, the FAQ mentions it, and the latest book from WotC mentions it, along with the historical precedent, I don't think I'm wrong. Now, about the problems using natural 1/20 might cause when used for attack/saving throws I don't think you're wrong there (and I might use the ELH open dice rules in the future myself), but it's you that's not core, not us. IceBear [/QUOTE]

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