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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 235679" data-attributes="member: 527">> if so take a lvl as psion or psychic warrior I assumed the original poster wanted a pure Monk, perhaps he could clarify this?  I did consider taking a level or two of Rogue, thinking that the Sneak Attack damage and the tons of Skills would complement the Monks strengths nicely.  I looked at a Monk3/Rogue2 and a Monk4/Rogue1.  The latter worked out pretty well, but I decided to stay with Monk5 since it seemed un-Monkly to suddenly become interested in Rogue levels.  > I wouldn't mind seeing Gizzard and Christian's figures...I dont have S&F; can you summarize their table?  I'm not sure I grok it.Anyway, my thought process was just for Monks with 1 basic attack, since thats what I am.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />  This should hold you 'til 8th level or so though.  I started by trying to calculate my average damage per round.  That is either:regular damage = reg hit chance *  avg dmg       or:flurry damage = flurry chance * avg dmg + flurry chance * avg dmg   which becomes:flurry damage = (2 * flurry chance) * avg dmgSo basically, if (2 * flurry chance) > (regular chance) then you are hitting more.  So lets run some sample numbers (with my average damage of (1+8)/2 +2 = 6.5):Need to roll 11 to hit: Regular = 50% * 6.5 = 3.25Flurry = (2 * 40%) * 6.5 = 5.2Need 16 to hit:Regular = 25% * 6.5 = 1.625Flurry = (2 * 15%) * 6.5 = 1.95Need 18 to hit:Regular = 15% * 6.5 = .975 <- winner!Flurry = (2 * 5%) * 6.5 = .65  Need 19 to hit:Regular = 10% * 6.5 = .65 <-tieFlurry = (2 * 5%) * 6.5 = .65Need 20 to hit:Regular = 5% * 6.5 = .325Flurry = (2 * 5%) * 6.5 = .65 <- winner!You can see from these examples how things get weird as the Flurry starts to auto-hit on a 20 despite the -2 penalty.  After I've written this all out, I realize that the to-hit chance calculations are correct, but that to consider damage I really have to consider the criticals.  I'll go through that tomorrow I think, but tonite I am too sleepy!  ;-)  Still, it isnt going to change the idea that its not a "flurry of misses", you actually do hit more with the Flurry than not (except at 18).  The calculations incidentally highlight the fact that the Monk is not a big-time damage machine like the Fighter or Barbarian.  I think our partys Barbarian would be shamed forever if he ever did only 5.2 points in a round to a lightly armored target.</blockquote>

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