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What is the difference between hidden and unseen?
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<blockquote data-quote="MNblockhead" data-source="post: 7565553" data-attributes="member: 6796661"><p>Unseen and hidden are different because there are multiple senses that can be used to detect someone's positions. You can be unseen but still give your position away because you can be heard or smelled. If you are in a ranged battle and the enemy sees you jump behind a large tree, you are unseen. But they know where you are. You are not hidden. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Being hidden gives you all the advantages of being unseen. But it goes beyond that. You may be unseen but not hidden. I can't see you after you take cover behind the crates, but I know you are there and I can move to get to you, I can throw a bomb, burning oil, a boulder at you, etc. If you are <em>hidden</em>, however, I have to spend actions to attempt to find you. In short, if you are hidden, I am required to first make a successful search before other actions can be taken against you. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. In the RAW in the PHB "hidden" requires that you be both unseen AND unheard (I also require that you be otherwise not perceived, e.g., not detected by smell):</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. You are describing an attempt to hide. From the PHB call-out section on "hiding" in Chapter 7: </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In your example, ET is attempting to hide. He makes a Dex (Stealth) check contested by Eliot's mom's Wis (Perception) check. If ET's score is higher, he is hidden. If Eliot's mom's score is higher, she detects ET -- in this case sees him and ET is both not hidden and is seen. But it is possible that she instead just HEARS ET, in which case he is not hidden, but remains unseen. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Dexterity (Stealth). In 5e there still is a large amount that relies on DM discretion. Hidding in a crowd is one thing. Standing still in the middle of the empty room is something else. Unless you have some special ability, feat, or magic, you need to be able to hide behind or among something. Invisibility is the most common way to hide in without any cover or distraction. But even with invisibility, you still have to make a hide action. There are other things that can give away your position. Hiding isn't all about sight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MNblockhead, post: 7565553, member: 6796661"] Unseen and hidden are different because there are multiple senses that can be used to detect someone's positions. You can be unseen but still give your position away because you can be heard or smelled. If you are in a ranged battle and the enemy sees you jump behind a large tree, you are unseen. But they know where you are. You are not hidden. Being hidden gives you all the advantages of being unseen. But it goes beyond that. You may be unseen but not hidden. I can't see you after you take cover behind the crates, but I know you are there and I can move to get to you, I can throw a bomb, burning oil, a boulder at you, etc. If you are [I]hidden[/I], however, I have to spend actions to attempt to find you. In short, if you are hidden, I am required to first make a successful search before other actions can be taken against you. No. In the RAW in the PHB "hidden" requires that you be both unseen AND unheard (I also require that you be otherwise not perceived, e.g., not detected by smell): No. You are describing an attempt to hide. From the PHB call-out section on "hiding" in Chapter 7: In your example, ET is attempting to hide. He makes a Dex (Stealth) check contested by Eliot's mom's Wis (Perception) check. If ET's score is higher, he is hidden. If Eliot's mom's score is higher, she detects ET -- in this case sees him and ET is both not hidden and is seen. But it is possible that she instead just HEARS ET, in which case he is not hidden, but remains unseen. Dexterity (Stealth). In 5e there still is a large amount that relies on DM discretion. Hidding in a crowd is one thing. Standing still in the middle of the empty room is something else. Unless you have some special ability, feat, or magic, you need to be able to hide behind or among something. Invisibility is the most common way to hide in without any cover or distraction. But even with invisibility, you still have to make a hide action. There are other things that can give away your position. Hiding isn't all about sight. [/QUOTE]
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