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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 1250518" data-attributes="member: 6957">And quite a few campaigns, both published and homebrew, do require both Paladins and Clerics to choose a diety.And read the rules - they do in fact lose their abilities for behaving in a chaotic or evil manner. I would add in 'knowingly', if you don't know that the person you are helping is evil then it does't cause a problem - unless you don't then try to fix matters. (And murdering the evil cleric sitting in a chair is still murder.) Nor do I expect the paladin to detect evil on everyone he meets.Stupidest loss of Paladin abilities:P: I torture the peasant for information about the pirates.D.M.: Ummm, you do know that torture is itself an evil act?P: The peasant deserves it - he didn't rebel against the corrupt town government!D.M.: Peasant, two hit points, no attack bonus, rebel against the town he doesn't know is corrupt.... right...P: Yes!On the bugbear issue, I once had a party hanged for killing an orc who was just walking down the road.... Seems there was a peace treaty that both sides were actually honoring...The Auld Grump*EDIT* And best paladin behavior - I had one player who went out of his way to redeem the villains if he thought there was a chance. It backfired on him once, but I allowed him to succeed several times.</blockquote>