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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ted Serious" data-source="post: 7452512" data-attributes="member: 6959577">It does put those problems in perspective. Another perspective,  you are harping on problems 4e had in its first year and had fixed before its second ended.  Depending on the fix for proof of a problem.4e is a dead system, no amount of criticism, even if it were valid will help it improve.  5e encounter guidelines are more complicated to use than 3e or 4e and produce less dependable results. It has had twice as long to fix them but no effort has been made.Perhaps you should get your own house in order before criticising the past state of another.It seems clear you are a very determined 5e booster and are trying to tar Pathfinder 2e with the same brush as 4e.  That also looks like the objective of the thread starter.It's pointless 5e has clinched it's success, it has the D&D name and has returned to the D&D traditions, it didn't  need to be as good as Pathfinder to beat Pathfinder in the market.  It just needed to be half as bad as AD&D.Pathfinder 2e does need to be better than Pathfinder and it already looks to be on track.  It will also be much better than 5e.Not by design or necessity just by default.</blockquote>