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<blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 7808765" data-attributes="member: 6683613"><p>Which is <em>why</em> I haven't enumerated it. Believe it or not I'm trying to avoid yet another edition war conversation. What would happen if I put my flag down on a particular objection: <em>"Some players didn't like 4E because of reason R"</em>? I can only imagine you'd come back with <em>"Reason R is nonsense because of X, Y, and Z"</em>, right? But then what? What would you have actually "refuted"? Are you claiming that the players who cite reason R are lying or mistaken about their own motives? Because what they say doesn't make sense to you? Really? No. Irrespective of whether or not you can make sense of it, it is still the case that some players didn't like 4E because of reason R. If you dismiss reason R as nonsense, you are wrongly discarding evidence about why players didn't like 4E. Reason R could be <em>"4E is a bad edition because the earth is flat</em>" and it would still be relevant to the question.</p><p></p><p>I see the rest of your post, but again, this is the real problem: you are not giving credit to the testimony of people who say things contrary to your narrative. When you see reason R, it's not constructive in the slightest to try to "refute" it. It might defend the benighted honor of 4E, and it might reduce the objectors to irrelevant simpletons. But it actively leads you away from understanding.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheCosmicKid, post: 7808765, member: 6683613"] Which is [I]why[/I] I haven't enumerated it. Believe it or not I'm trying to avoid yet another edition war conversation. What would happen if I put my flag down on a particular objection: [I]"Some players didn't like 4E because of reason R"[/I]? I can only imagine you'd come back with [I]"Reason R is nonsense because of X, Y, and Z"[/I], right? But then what? What would you have actually "refuted"? Are you claiming that the players who cite reason R are lying or mistaken about their own motives? Because what they say doesn't make sense to you? Really? No. Irrespective of whether or not you can make sense of it, it is still the case that some players didn't like 4E because of reason R. If you dismiss reason R as nonsense, you are wrongly discarding evidence about why players didn't like 4E. Reason R could be [I]"4E is a bad edition because the earth is flat[/I]" and it would still be relevant to the question. I see the rest of your post, but again, this is the real problem: you are not giving credit to the testimony of people who say things contrary to your narrative. When you see reason R, it's not constructive in the slightest to try to "refute" it. It might defend the benighted honor of 4E, and it might reduce the objectors to irrelevant simpletons. But it actively leads you away from understanding. [/QUOTE]
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