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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7809163" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>I'm going to disagree with that point.</p><p></p><p>The heart of the edition war was a small group of disaffected fans who were so personally insulted that 4e wasn't written with them in mind that they couldn't bear to think that anyone else might actually enjoy the game. So, they embarked on a repeated assault in any way they could, never, ever letting up and never ever just walking away.</p><p></p><p>There's a reason you didn't see that sort of thing on, say, the Paizo boards. Folks that didn't like Pathfinder just didn't bother with it. They didn't spend hours and hours and hours writing lengthy treatises about why 4e was a steaming pile of crap. I get the notion of wanting to say the edition warring was two sided, but, it really wasn't. It was one group trying to enjoy their hobby while another group repeatedly piled scorn and insult and made sure that every one knew it. </p><p></p><p>I mean, FFS, we're 5 YEARS into 5e and people are still repeating that "minatures wargame" meme garbage that is completely unsupportable but, still remains. </p><p></p><p>Seriously, the only thing [USER=996]@Tony Vargas[/USER] has said here is the thing that really differentiates 4e from other D&D's is the primacy of magic in the system. That doesn't make one system better than another, just that 4e is the outlier here. The essence of D&D, as evidenced by every edition that is considered by all to be part of the D&D family is the primacy of magic in the game. He's presented a pretty decent list of evidence to support his assertion. In response, all we've seen is folks drag out every edition war talking point and rehash the same old pointless crap that we had to constantly listen to for years. </p><p></p><p>So, no, the heart of the edition war really isn't about both sides denying the other had a point. If folks who didn't like 4e had just done what most people do when they don't like something and move on, the edition wars wouldn't have happened at all. But, they couldn't stand the fact that other people might enjoy a different kind of D&D and set out to very deliberately destroy 4e every chance they could.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7809163, member: 22779"] I'm going to disagree with that point. The heart of the edition war was a small group of disaffected fans who were so personally insulted that 4e wasn't written with them in mind that they couldn't bear to think that anyone else might actually enjoy the game. So, they embarked on a repeated assault in any way they could, never, ever letting up and never ever just walking away. There's a reason you didn't see that sort of thing on, say, the Paizo boards. Folks that didn't like Pathfinder just didn't bother with it. They didn't spend hours and hours and hours writing lengthy treatises about why 4e was a steaming pile of crap. I get the notion of wanting to say the edition warring was two sided, but, it really wasn't. It was one group trying to enjoy their hobby while another group repeatedly piled scorn and insult and made sure that every one knew it. I mean, FFS, we're 5 YEARS into 5e and people are still repeating that "minatures wargame" meme garbage that is completely unsupportable but, still remains. Seriously, the only thing [USER=996]@Tony Vargas[/USER] has said here is the thing that really differentiates 4e from other D&D's is the primacy of magic in the system. That doesn't make one system better than another, just that 4e is the outlier here. The essence of D&D, as evidenced by every edition that is considered by all to be part of the D&D family is the primacy of magic in the game. He's presented a pretty decent list of evidence to support his assertion. In response, all we've seen is folks drag out every edition war talking point and rehash the same old pointless crap that we had to constantly listen to for years. So, no, the heart of the edition war really isn't about both sides denying the other had a point. If folks who didn't like 4e had just done what most people do when they don't like something and move on, the edition wars wouldn't have happened at all. But, they couldn't stand the fact that other people might enjoy a different kind of D&D and set out to very deliberately destroy 4e every chance they could. [/QUOTE]
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