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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7809822" data-attributes="member: 996">I think that covered it, yes.Obviously, I'm not going to respond, directly, to the loaded phrasing, even quoting it is pointless.  An insinuation with a "?" at the end is not a question, it's a personal attack. I think I've more than adequately illustrated that the system qualities I summed up as "The Primacy of Magic" were notable in all editions but the one perceived - by both detractors and even defenders - as somehow not really D&D.Of course, that just showed a correlation supporting the the idea that Primacy of Magic is the "Essence of D&D."I think it's a strong contender, but, it's just a correlation.Now if you want to dispute the validity of that Primacy, you can try.If you want to offer additional candidates, I think it'd be interesting.But if you want to re-fight the edition war with appeals to popularity, commercial success, anecdotes, misperceptions, factual errors, and subjective opinions, well, I'd had more than enough of that by 2014. I see even less value in hypothetical delusions than in specific subjective rants.That's why I'm not even trying to "prove" some sort of direct, sole, causation - it's too fraught a subject. I'll stick to facts, about the game, itself.  They're easily verified.So, I suppose I'm relatively "vulnerable" to the assertion that 4e Really Was D&D, since it's contrary status is by general acclaim, and gets into all that fraught edition war subjectivity and emotion.</blockquote>

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