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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 7809897" data-attributes="member: 6683613">"If there's a particular bit of outright nonsense you'd like to hitch your wagon too, though, I'd go ahead and refute it for the nth time. I'm a sucker that way."--- not me"Which is why I haven't enumerated it. Believe it or not I'm trying to avoid yet another edition war conversation."--- not youYou emphatically do not give the impression that you're done with the edition war. If you sincerely believe that you are, you need to reexamine how you present yourself. And if you sincerely believe that the guy who has done his damnedest not to make any concrete criticisms of 4E which would be irrelevant to his point (in spite of your constant demands for them) is the one looking to pick that fight... well, I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but you really need to stop trying to read other people's minds.And lo, he was enlightened.You want to argue facts, but this topic lies entirely in the domain of perceptions. Your refutations of people's negative opinions about 4E can be as well rehearsed and factually verifiable as a Broadway production by Wittgenstein, and they will still be pointless. When someone tells you that saving throws or whatever are what make 4E "not D&D", you can't say, "That doesn't make sense because of the facts! It must be something else!" That's just throwing away important data. You have to take a second look and figure out how it does make sense, to them.Now, it may sound here like I am asking you to read other people's minds. Far from it. I know how well that's likely to turn out. I'm asking you to credit other people's words, which is precisely the opposite endeavor.</blockquote>

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