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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7810386" data-attributes="member: 22779">The problem is, [USER=6716779]@Zardnaar[/USER], nothing you are saying is actually countering the main point.  Even if your great sword wielding fighter hits four times for 8d6+12 damage, he's still only doing that to one target.  The wizard is doing that to at least two.  You cannot compare the two really.  Or, put it another way, if your wizard/sorcerer isn't the highest total damage dealer in your group, either the player chose to go a different direction or there is something seriously wrong.  There's no chance a fighter could even come close to total damage that a wizard or sorcerer can do.  And certainly not after about 7th level.But, again, I'm not just talking about damage.  Think about what you said, the BEST your fighter can do 1/short rest is still half what a wizard can do twice a day by 5th level.  At best, you might, just maybe still be short by half if you get a two short rest day and get 3 action surges.  And, all it cost that 5th level wizard was 2 3rd level slots.  He's still got 7 more slots plus another on a short rest.</blockquote>