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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7811499" data-attributes="member: 23751">This proves nothing other than it's not a traditional type of magic.  The section on power sources specifically says it's an energy source, not a method of being really skillful.  Skill isn't an energy type. Martial is. It needs to be an atypical form of magic for it to A) be an energy type, and B) allow martial characters to do what would otherwise be supernatural things as martial characters and not magical ones.Go out and see if through training, you can do everything a fighter can through level 30.  I'll even give you a few years to practice.  My unwillingness is to accept that mundane(not the same as martial) can rival magic, since magic by definition can do supernatural things.  This also does not equate to magical primacy.  Magic can color objects through prestidigitation, yet no amount of training will allow a martial character to do such a nearly useless thing. I do accept that martial can rival magic, since martial is an atypical form of magic that allows the user to access energy to accomplish things that would ordinarily take traditional magic.</blockquote>