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<blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 7813591" data-attributes="member: 6683613"><p>Are the same people complaining about these elements in the other editions?</p><p>If not, then they are not <em>perceptually</em> the same element.</p><p>If they are not perceptually the same element, then the essence of D&D could hinge upon that perceptual difference.</p><p></p><p>You can argue until you're blue in the face that they're "factually" the same, that it's "nonsense" for people to perceive a difference, but that entire line of discussion is totally missing the point. People <em>do</em> perceive a difference. That is the only fact of consequence here. So far you have been twisting, denying, downplaying, ridiculing, or simply ignoring that fact to suit your theories. Instead you need to suit your theories to that fact.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheCosmicKid, post: 7813591, member: 6683613"] Are the same people complaining about these elements in the other editions? If not, then they are not [I]perceptually[/I] the same element. If they are not perceptually the same element, then the essence of D&D could hinge upon that perceptual difference. You can argue until you're blue in the face that they're "factually" the same, that it's "nonsense" for people to perceive a difference, but that entire line of discussion is totally missing the point. People [I]do[/I] perceive a difference. That is the only fact of consequence here. So far you have been twisting, denying, downplaying, ridiculing, or simply ignoring that fact to suit your theories. Instead you need to suit your theories to that fact. [/QUOTE]
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