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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7813960" data-attributes="member: 996">Sounds like a fair summation of old-school.adjective: supernatural(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.adjective: superhuman; adjective: super-humanhaving or showing exceptional ability or powers."the pilot made one last superhuman effort not to come down right on our heads"A human being can't jump over a castle wall.  But, jumping over a castle wall doesn't defy scientific understanding or the laws of nature - you could calculate exactly the physics-sense work a creature doing based on it's mass, etc......it's just beyond what a human being can do.Denial of that delineation is tortured logic & rationalization.Not that something can't easily be both:   if you're imbued with superhuman strength by the celestial agent of a divine being, for instance.   And, yes, things can  certainly be supernatural, but not superhuman.  Levitating a feather, for instance.  A lot of things you could do with the Prestidigitation cantrip, really.Wow, that is just /packed/.  So much sentiment, so few words.   I can get excluding 2e & all WotC eds from 'really D&D'  OSR purist stuff, the Old Ways are the Best.  I can even kinda sorta empathize a little.  But 2e, 3e, & 5e were generally accepted as D&D by fans, and 5e is the come-back king.  Whatever Essence may exist among all those editions, and 0e/1e/(h/m/rb)B(X)ECMI^RC, would have to be something more (or less) than the old-school playstyle. It's like what's under the gnomish paladin's armor:  best not to know.  Really, that goes for most re-hashed edition-war 'debates.' Die?  Or turn into a kitschy lawn ornament?Presence of magic might be a necessary ingredient for 'fantasy' - or not, sometimes magic can be pretty questionable, even turn out to be tricks or technology, and still feel a lot like fantasy (even if it shades into science-fantasy, like Darkover, where psionics stands in for magic).  Of course, D&D shades into science fantasy, anyway.  Primacy of Magic is hardly universal in the broader genre - stereotypically, the heroic warrior, barbarian or knight in shining armor defeats the evil sorcerer/wizard/god-being through strength, courage, faith*, etc - and/or true love, depending on sub-genre.* I probably shouldn't get into the assertion that the D&D treatment of the divine denies faith or trivializes RL religious beliefs - besides, it really does cut across /all/ editions.</blockquote>

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