Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Rocket your D&D 5E and Level Up: Advanced 5E games into space! Alpha Star Magazine Is Launching... Right Now!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What is the general opinion of Burlews diplomacy rules?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="argo" data-source="post: 3157954" data-attributes="member: 5752"><p>I Like: changing the diplomacy mechanic to represent "propose a trade" as opposed to "make the other guy like me".</p><p></p><p>I Dislike: attempting to scale the challenge with HD</p><p></p><p></p><p>You have soooo missed the point. It isn't about the salt. Last time this debate went around the example used was asking your 20th level girlfriend what time it was. Everybody starts up on "you don't need a diplomacy check to ask the time"</p><p></p><p>Not... The... Point</p><p></p><p>You can substitute any simple request for the "salt". Maybe you are asking to borrow 5 bucks. Whatever. The point is that it automatically becomes more difficult to convince higher level characters to do <em><u>anything</u></em>. Automatically.</p><p></p><p>Try this for a counter-example: I'm a first level comoner who, somehow, came into a lot of cash. I walk up to a 20th level fighter with a 10 Wis and say "mister, I have 2,315 GP. Will you sell me that +1 Longsword you've been keeping in your bag of holding since 6th level?"</p><p></p><p>So what is the DC for that? Well we "just met" so that is a +0, and 2,315 GP is an "even" trade for a +1 Longsword so that is a +0 which makes the DC = 15 + level + Wis mod = 35.</p><p></p><p>No deal. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> </p><p></p><p>And the related issue: Rich's metadesign decision to make the mechanic work only "for those who put max ranks in the skill and have a decent Charisma bonus". Saying that that is how combat works doesn't make me feel better about that. The skill system is not combat, we don't scale Climb or Jump checks with level. Skills are supposed to be something anybody can attempt. My first level comoner ought to be able to buy that +1 Longsword.</p><p></p><p>Still, Rich has some good ideas there. I think developing it further could result in something really worth while.</p><p></p><p>Later.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="argo, post: 3157954, member: 5752"] I Like: changing the diplomacy mechanic to represent "propose a trade" as opposed to "make the other guy like me". I Dislike: attempting to scale the challenge with HD You have soooo missed the point. It isn't about the salt. Last time this debate went around the example used was asking your 20th level girlfriend what time it was. Everybody starts up on "you don't need a diplomacy check to ask the time" Not... The... Point You can substitute any simple request for the "salt". Maybe you are asking to borrow 5 bucks. Whatever. The point is that it automatically becomes more difficult to convince higher level characters to do [i][u]anything[/u][/i]. Automatically. Try this for a counter-example: I'm a first level comoner who, somehow, came into a lot of cash. I walk up to a 20th level fighter with a 10 Wis and say "mister, I have 2,315 GP. Will you sell me that +1 Longsword you've been keeping in your bag of holding since 6th level?" So what is the DC for that? Well we "just met" so that is a +0, and 2,315 GP is an "even" trade for a +1 Longsword so that is a +0 which makes the DC = 15 + level + Wis mod = 35. No deal. :confused: And the related issue: Rich's metadesign decision to make the mechanic work only "for those who put max ranks in the skill and have a decent Charisma bonus". Saying that that is how combat works doesn't make me feel better about that. The skill system is not combat, we don't scale Climb or Jump checks with level. Skills are supposed to be something anybody can attempt. My first level comoner ought to be able to buy that +1 Longsword. Still, Rich has some good ideas there. I think developing it further could result in something really worth while. Later. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What is the general opinion of Burlews diplomacy rules?
Top
