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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 6686475" data-attributes="member: 63508">And that's what I was looking for.I understand what the base is.My issue is the Roguish Archetypes. I&nbsp; was wondering if they add too much flavor in name and/or in mechanics.Because that person thing the current roguish archetype adds too many aspects to their PC that don't fit it while not adding enough that do.Scouts, academics, and expert at street level activities aren't rare. A setting could easily have more of them than full fledged soldiers and D&amp;D has all kinds of reasons to shove them down a dungeon.If the thief is the generic, why is there an assassin? Couldn't a thief just get proficiency in poisoner's kit and disguise kit and be an assassin?---Note, I'm not attacking your position. I believe the thief does pull off a B- or C+ at filling most rogue archetypes with a proper background, ability array, and maybe a feat. But I do believe a B- or C+ isn't good enough and something should be done for some popular nonthief nonassassin rogues. Whether a &quot;generic rogue&quot; or just more new roguish archetypes, I don't know.I like the upcoming swashbuckler to do the duelist. And I still think more can be done with acrobatics, perception, and academic skills.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 6686475, member: 63508"] And that's what I was looking for. I understand what the base is. My issue is the Roguish Archetypes. I was wondering if they add too much flavor in name and/or in mechanics. Because that person thing the current roguish archetype adds too many aspects to their PC that don't fit it while not adding enough that do. Scouts, academics, and expert at street level activities aren't rare. A setting could easily have more of them than full fledged soldiers and D&D has all kinds of reasons to shove them down a dungeon. If the thief is the generic, why is there an assassin? Couldn't a thief just get proficiency in poisoner's kit and disguise kit and be an assassin? --- Note, I'm not attacking your position. I believe the thief does pull off a B- or C+ at filling most rogue archetypes with a proper background, ability array, and maybe a feat. But I do believe a B- or C+ isn't good enough and something should be done for some popular nonthief nonassassin rogues. Whether a "generic rogue" or just more new roguish archetypes, I don't know. I like the upcoming swashbuckler to do the duelist. And I still think more can be done with acrobatics, perception, and academic skills. [/QUOTE]

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