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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 6687226" data-attributes="member: 6677017">Mike Mearls said making the Champion and Battlemaster just be generic simple/complex fighters whose names don't tell you anything about what they are in the world is one of the biggest mistakes they/he made in 5e. All of the other classes have subclasses that evoke actual archetypes, while they were so focused on providing options for both a simple and complex fighter that they ended up forgetting the goal of evocative subclasses for the fighter, and were kicking themselves afterwards.So what you are saying is a good thing is what the lead designer says was bad. (Personally, I like the Champion and Battlemaster and am concerned that going too far on the evocative would limit options, but I see where he's coming from.)The good news is we already have the playtest version of the Swashbuckler from the website a few months back, and the final version comes out in the Sword Coast campaign guide in November. Alchemist is probably going to be a subclass of its own class (another subclass is likely to be artificer), while acrobat, IMO, is covered by the thief's abilities.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 6687226, member: 6677017"] Mike Mearls said making the Champion and Battlemaster just be generic simple/complex fighters whose names don't tell you anything about what they [I]are[/I] in the world is one of the biggest mistakes they/he made in 5e. All of the other classes have subclasses that evoke actual archetypes, while they were so focused on providing options for both a simple and complex fighter that they ended up forgetting the goal of evocative subclasses for the fighter, and were kicking themselves afterwards. So what you are saying is a good thing is what the lead designer says was bad. (Personally, I like the Champion and Battlemaster and am concerned that going too far on the evocative would limit options, but I see where he's coming from.) The good news is we already have the playtest version of the Swashbuckler from the website a few months back, and the final version comes out in the Sword Coast campaign guide in November. Alchemist is probably going to be a subclass of its own class (another subclass is likely to be artificer), while acrobat, IMO, is covered by the thief's abilities. [/QUOTE]

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