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<blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 6687469" data-attributes="member: 6786252">A bug, not a feature.&nbsp; The Fighter is the exception, not the rule.&nbsp;Because that's always been the &quot;problem&quot; with the Fighter, and there are people like it.&nbsp; There are also people that complain bitterly about how there's not more flavor or &quot;things to do other than fight.&quot;&nbsp; The Fighter is defined by fighting.&nbsp; The rogue has always had a theif-y, temple raider flavor to it.&nbsp;Cunning Action just lets you do some things faster.&nbsp; You can use it for a wide variety of rogue-stuff.&nbsp; Dont' like the pick-pocketing, then don't use it.&nbsp; Thief tools are useful for temple exploring, and that's a huge part of the rogue class in any edition, but you're not forced to use it.&nbsp;&nbsp; You can't be a generic rogue without offering their use.&nbsp;Why the obsession with alchemist?&nbsp; That's not a traditional rogue thing.&nbsp; And, no, an actual thief is the iconic rogue in at least half of fantasy.&nbsp; You can't ignore it, because its so iconic.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mephista, post: 6687469, member: 6786252"] A bug, not a feature. The Fighter is the exception, not the rule. Because that's always been the "problem" with the Fighter, and there are people like it. There are also people that complain bitterly about how there's not more flavor or "things to do other than fight." The Fighter is defined by fighting. The rogue has always had a theif-y, temple raider flavor to it. Cunning Action just lets you do some things faster. You can use it for a wide variety of rogue-stuff. Dont' like the pick-pocketing, then don't use it. Thief tools are useful for temple exploring, and that's a huge part of the rogue class in any edition, but you're not forced to use it. You can't be a generic rogue without offering their use. Why the obsession with alchemist? That's not a traditional rogue thing. And, no, an actual thief is the iconic rogue in at least half of fantasy. You can't ignore it, because its so iconic. [/QUOTE]

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