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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RogueJK" data-source="post: 118605" data-attributes="member: 170">Since you're so adamant about this character's uselessness, I'll work the math for you.18th level character: Human Mnk2/Pal2/Clr3/Mystic Wanderer1/Duelist10BAB:1+2+2+0+10 = 15/10/5  Add to this your Dex (for ranged) or your Str (for melee, unless you Finesse).  That's not bad for an 18th level character.  Only 3 behind a straight Fighter.Saves:Base Fort. Save = 3+3+3+0+3 = 12+Con+ChaBase Reflex Save = 3+0+1+3+7 = 14+Dex+2 from Grace+ChaBase Will Save = 3+0+3+3+3 = 12+Wis+Iron Will+ChaThese are pretty good for an 18th level character.  It makes a well-rounded character, with no single weak save.  For comparison, an 18th level Monk (who are supposed to have the best saves) has only +11/+11/+11.  The 32 Charisma will make them even higher, since a Paladin gets to add their Cha to your saves.You can expect final saves of Fort. +23 +Con (Con is unknown), Ref. +40, and Will +36.  Since he's 18th level, he'll probably have another couple of points from a Vest of Resistance or something along those lines.Skills:Perform 3 (Class)Tumble 5 (Class)Alchemy 3 (Cross-class)Diplomacy 8 (Class)Knowledge (nature) 3 (Class)Profession (Herbalist) 3 (Class)Base Skill Points (from classes only, before Int and any other additional skill points): 28+4+6+2+40 = 80  Subtract the 28 that you've already spent, and that leaves you with at least 52, plus your Int mod, plus 21 (1 point per level+3 for 1st level) for being human.Base Hit Points: 2d8+2d10+2d8+1d8+10d10  Let's take average rolls for these, except for 1d8 that is max at 1st level.  That's 84 HPs on average.  Add your Con mod*18 to this.  For comparison, an 18th level Fighter with average HP rolls would have around 95+Con*18 HPs.Feats:Iron Will, Dodge, Ambidexterity, Mobility, Off-Hand Parry, Twin-Sword Style, Expertise, Two-Weapon Fighting.This is by no means "piss-poor".  This is a very well-rounded character, who also happens to have an insane AC. He also has the ability to cast up to 2nd level Cleric spells, 2 domain abilities, and a myriad of other class abilities.And an AC over 60 may be wasted, but your original post stated that you were looking for "the highest AC that a character could get", not "the highest AC that a character could get but still be below 60".  I think that the AC Smackdown more than fits your original criteria.Just wait until the ELH and MM2 come out.  I'm sure there are plenty of Epic Level monsters that would have a good laugh at a mere 60 AC.(And please... don't resort to insults like you have in most other threads.  Thanks.)</blockquote>

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