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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jontherev" data-source="post: 166310" data-attributes="member: 1451">Your pc would be dead if you tried this against a dragon, for reasons below.  It's much more effective against other foes, but there are still a few errors.No, I would give the dragon a new spot check since you are within 5' of him and he has blind sight, making your invisibility absolutely worthless.  Sure, he can't see you, but he doesn't NEED to.  If you read blindsight, it specifically mentions this.  Chances are very good that you will be spotted, canceling the surprise round.  Now roll initiative.Most familiars are tiny creatures, and threaten NO areas.  So, in order for them to attack, they have to actually BE in the same square as the foe.  The same holds true for them to provide a flank.  So, if you really want a flank bonus, better hope the dragon doesn't spot you and win initiative and AoO to death your familiar.Now, take away the flank bonus and invisibility (and no sneak attack either), unless it's not a dragon or other creature that senses fine w/o sight.50%?!?  Against AC 32, a +11 would only hit on a 20, 5% of the time.  Also, I realize this is a smackdown, but the crescent knife would most likely be outlawed or altered by most sensible DM's.  There is no other weapon with the EXTREMELY unbalancing ability to grant twice the number of attacks with NO penalties (who wouldn't take quickdraw with this weapon?).  That's why it was in Dragon, and not the PHB or even the splat books.  Double weapons require 2 hands and incur TWF penalties.  Shurikens only do 1 point of damage, and have been ruled to only include sneak attack damage on the first shuriken.  That's just my opinion of course; perhaps others think it works fine as is.  Not to mention all the questions that pop up when used in conjunction with feats like Expert Tactician, Cleave, or Haste.True Strike would only effect the first attack roll, as it states in the description of the spell.  It doesn't matter what the crescent knife says.  Not to mention, it's doubtful that you even surprised the dragon.This is absurd.  I'm sorry, but cats cannot throw tanglefoot bags.  Even if they had a 25 INT.  Just try to picture it.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  The only way I'd allow this to work, is through use of a fly spell cast on the familiar (or a bat, hawk) so they could drop it on the foe.  Even then, I'd give a nice circumstance penalty for attempting such an unorthodox attack.  The bag weighs 4 pounds, and most of the familiars don't weigh much more than that...so I'm not sure they even have the strength to lift it!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />Sorry, but a 1st level sorceror does not have 5th level spell slots, which is needed to cast a quickened 1st level spell.The familiar is also hasted (spells effect both of you).  However, he spent his extra partial to move the helm.  Then, he readies for a partial action to move the helm, thereby ending his round.  He can't attack this round (assuming animals have learned how to throw<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />).As I pointed out before, only the first attack gets the big bonus.I think you can figure out what's wrong with the above, given my other replies.Even taking out the mistakes, it's a good tactic against non-dragons.  It's just not nearly as devastating as you think.  I realize this is a smackdown and not a pc of yours (yet?<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />), but you still have to play by the rules.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />[/B]</blockquote>[/QUOTE]

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