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<blockquote data-quote="Malic" data-source="post: 1917484" data-attributes="member: 23799"><p>Hi Darkness</p><p></p><p>OK, but if we need any more posts we'd better start a new thread, OK? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Take just one of the factors for example. There are many races/cultures with patriarchal systems in D&D. The government system, thus, is not suggested to have an intrinsic alignment.</p><p></p><p>If there is only one matriarchal race/culture in the standard setting, and it is evil, this does have undertones of 'Rule by women is bad' and 'women with power are evil'. This is because 100% of the examples in the world are evil.</p><p></p><p>(I am not sure if there was only one. The drow are the only 'traditional' race of this type I am aware of, but like I said there are gaps in my pre-3e info. I was actually asking, not just arguing <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )</p><p></p><p>This does not mean that it is sexist to have evil women, or evil female governments. Even lots and lots of over the top bloodlusting vixen drow as per earlier artwork <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. But if there are no (or no significant) non-evil examples, you really wonder where this cartoon is coming from.</p><p></p><p>The exact same argument goes for 'colour', though I agree they're not linked issues - the drow just seem to be unusual in more ways than one.</p><p></p><p>It's not necessarily racist to have dumb or evil black-skinned beings. But if *all* of the black-skinned beings, or the only major group of them, is dumb or evil, it's definitely leaning that way.</p><p></p><p>And Gez - sure they <em>can</em>, but do you know of any actual examples in D&D where they <em>are</em>? I am honestly interested.</p><p></p><p>BTW, this is not a pet issue of mine and I don't change drow or have lots of positive matriarchal or black-skinned species examples in my games to compensate. I'm certainly not saying that the creators of the drow had a message for the world, or really thought women were evil!! It's just something that has always made me a little uncomfortable. Kind of like the early chainmail bikini attitude.</p><p></p><p>Cheers!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Malic, post: 1917484, member: 23799"] Hi Darkness OK, but if we need any more posts we'd better start a new thread, OK? :) Take just one of the factors for example. There are many races/cultures with patriarchal systems in D&D. The government system, thus, is not suggested to have an intrinsic alignment. If there is only one matriarchal race/culture in the standard setting, and it is evil, this does have undertones of 'Rule by women is bad' and 'women with power are evil'. This is because 100% of the examples in the world are evil. (I am not sure if there was only one. The drow are the only 'traditional' race of this type I am aware of, but like I said there are gaps in my pre-3e info. I was actually asking, not just arguing :) ) This does not mean that it is sexist to have evil women, or evil female governments. Even lots and lots of over the top bloodlusting vixen drow as per earlier artwork :). But if there are no (or no significant) non-evil examples, you really wonder where this cartoon is coming from. The exact same argument goes for 'colour', though I agree they're not linked issues - the drow just seem to be unusual in more ways than one. It's not necessarily racist to have dumb or evil black-skinned beings. But if *all* of the black-skinned beings, or the only major group of them, is dumb or evil, it's definitely leaning that way. And Gez - sure they [I]can[/I], but do you know of any actual examples in D&D where they [I]are[/I]? I am honestly interested. BTW, this is not a pet issue of mine and I don't change drow or have lots of positive matriarchal or black-skinned species examples in my games to compensate. I'm certainly not saying that the creators of the drow had a message for the world, or really thought women were evil!! It's just something that has always made me a little uncomfortable. Kind of like the early chainmail bikini attitude. Cheers! [/QUOTE]
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