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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7206124" data-attributes="member: 29398">Looking at your list again you have CS listed as 1st-level...where it deserves a higher rating.Also, some real arguments with the 3rd-level list - it seems your ratings are all to do with how useful a spell is in combat as opposed to the rest of the time.&nbsp; Combat isn't everything.Create Food and Water - one of the best utility spells out there...no more carrying rations, no more dying of thirst in the desert.&nbsp; Should be at least mid-&quot;Not Bad&quot;, as an average of not much use sometimes and spectacularly useful at othersRemove Curse - should be right alongside Dispel Magic in the &quot;Good&quot; list...or at least you'll think so once your bacon has been saved by its use a few timesSpeak With Dead - does nobody ever talk to their defeated foes any more?&nbsp; This should be SOP!&nbsp; Raise to &quot;Good&quot;Tongues - this one really depends on whether one's game has more or less realistic language rules and use.&nbsp; Low end of &quot;Not Bad&quot;.Plant Growth - does anyone ever cast this?&nbsp; Ever?&nbsp; Yeah, didn't think so. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Down into &quot;Least Useful&quot; for me.3rd level overall is one where there really aren't many spells that would rate below &quot;Not Bad&quot;.Lanefan</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7206124, member: 29398"] Looking at your list again you have CS listed as 1st-level...where it deserves a higher rating. Also, some real arguments with the 3rd-level list - it seems your ratings are all to do with how useful a spell is in combat as opposed to the rest of the time. Combat isn't everything. Create Food and Water - one of the best utility spells out there...no more carrying rations, no more dying of thirst in the desert. Should be at least mid-"Not Bad", as an average of not much use sometimes and spectacularly useful at others Remove Curse - should be right alongside Dispel Magic in the "Good" list...or at least you'll think so once your bacon has been saved by its use a few times Speak With Dead - does nobody ever talk to their defeated foes any more? This should be SOP! Raise to "Good" Tongues - this one really depends on whether one's game has more or less realistic language rules and use. Low end of "Not Bad". Plant Growth - does anyone ever cast this? Ever? Yeah, didn't think so. :) Down into "Least Useful" for me. 3rd level overall is one where there really aren't many spells that would rate below "Not Bad". Lanefan [/QUOTE]

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