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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 3295207" data-attributes="member: 326">I'm deadly serious. Complexity will only choke the game and inhibit new gamers from taking it up.Thats simply not true. 3rd Edition is far more complicated than 1st/2nd. Feats and Skills take up so much time when designing characters/monsters.Personally I think Skill Points are an unnecessary waste of time.  I think you have to try and plot out the fun to complexity graph and target the game where the 'fun' peaks.The current incarnation of the game is too complicated and too much time is spent with the minutiae of setup and creation.So you are happy to use boards and minis, you just don't want to see them as integral. Just what exactly are you afraid of?But the simple fact of the matter is that you are unnecessarily restricting your market for no good reason!There is little or no incentive for the casual gamer to pick up D&D over 101 other different hobbies which are more visually arresting and easier to get into.</blockquote>