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<blockquote data-quote="Dr_Ruminahui" data-source="post: 5171617" data-attributes="member: 81104"><p>Hmmm... I disagree.</p><p></p><p>I think the opperative word is "wielding" - the ranger ability allows you to <em>wield </em>two weapons even if one of them isn't offhand.</p><p></p><p>As far as I can see, "wielding" and "holding" don't mean the same thing - "wielding" means having it in your hand ready and able to use as a weapon, holding means simply having it in your hand.</p><p></p><p>By your argument, a non-ranger couldn't attack while holding a sword and a bottle of wine in one hand - a bottle of wine is an improvised weapon, without the offhand property. Indeed, they couldn't attack with a sword while having <em>nothing </em>in your other hand, as the ability to punch someone is <em>also</em> an improvised weapon.</p><p></p><p>Rather, one can hold something in either hand, but simply not be able to attack with it. So, one could have a longsword in each hand, but only one of which the character can "wield" at a given time. Its no different than holding your greatsword with one hand so that one can pull out a dagger and throw it at someone (or holding your crossbow with one hand so you can draw a sword and stab someone) - holding something in your other hand doesn't magically prevent you from doing anything.</p><p></p><p>Indeed, the fact that with a light shield specifically explicitly states you can hold (but not wield) a weapon in the shield to me indicates that the two terms are NOT synonymous in 4e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr_Ruminahui, post: 5171617, member: 81104"] Hmmm... I disagree. I think the opperative word is "wielding" - the ranger ability allows you to [I]wield [/I]two weapons even if one of them isn't offhand. As far as I can see, "wielding" and "holding" don't mean the same thing - "wielding" means having it in your hand ready and able to use as a weapon, holding means simply having it in your hand. By your argument, a non-ranger couldn't attack while holding a sword and a bottle of wine in one hand - a bottle of wine is an improvised weapon, without the offhand property. Indeed, they couldn't attack with a sword while having [I]nothing [/I]in your other hand, as the ability to punch someone is [I]also[/I] an improvised weapon. Rather, one can hold something in either hand, but simply not be able to attack with it. So, one could have a longsword in each hand, but only one of which the character can "wield" at a given time. Its no different than holding your greatsword with one hand so that one can pull out a dagger and throw it at someone (or holding your crossbow with one hand so you can draw a sword and stab someone) - holding something in your other hand doesn't magically prevent you from doing anything. Indeed, the fact that with a light shield specifically explicitly states you can hold (but not wield) a weapon in the shield to me indicates that the two terms are NOT synonymous in 4e. [/QUOTE]
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