Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8226823" data-attributes="member: 16814">The alternative is that anything is drama.&nbsp; If &quot;exploring&quot; is a dramatic need, then so is &quot;fighting&quot; and &quot;resting&quot; and pretty much anything else.No, a dramatic need is something much deeper.&nbsp; The need to be the best explorer ever is a dramatic need, or the need to be the best fighter ever is a dramatic need.&nbsp; These involve exploration or fighting, but are not satisfied by just that -- instead it's deeper and more meaningful.&quot;I have exploring, and it's dramatic&quot; speaks to a need that's not the characters -- the drama here belongs to the player, not the character.Roll eyes.&nbsp; Trying to foreclose a line whereby it seems I'm claiming protagonism is a need isn't trying to read your mind.&nbsp; You trying to assume that's what I was doing is as bad.&nbsp; Quite often you're quick to accuse others of behavior you engage in, although you have some pretty nice top cover to avoid being called on it.What are you even talking about?&nbsp; Being willfully difficult?&nbsp; This is only a concept if the game is about what the GM says it's about, and you the player have to adapt to it.&nbsp; If the GM is setting themes and conditions, then the game's not really about your PCs, even if you bend to this and make a PC that's about the GM's game.Sorry, then, that there's a disconnect in your understanding due to your place of origin.&nbsp; Pacing and dramatic beats are not about dramatic needs -- these are very different things.&nbsp; Pacing and dramatic beats are about how the GM is presenting story, not what story is being presented.&nbsp; Dramatic needs are about what the story is about.&nbsp; Are you sure?&nbsp; Many of your arguments, including the one immediately above about picking character goals that align with the GM's game being contrasted by being &quot;difficult.&quot;&nbsp; If you intend something else, I'm all ears - and it would be a boon to conversation if you actually explained instead of just pouting.&nbsp; I thought you often caution people about engaging in discussion to just win points?&nbsp; What else is this about?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8226823, member: 16814"] The alternative is that anything is drama. If "exploring" is a dramatic need, then so is "fighting" and "resting" and pretty much anything else. No, a dramatic need is something much deeper. The need to be the best explorer ever is a dramatic need, or the need to be the best fighter ever is a dramatic need. These involve exploration or fighting, but are not satisfied by just that -- instead it's deeper and more meaningful. "I have exploring, and it's dramatic" speaks to a need that's not the characters -- the drama here belongs to the player, not the character. Roll eyes. Trying to foreclose a line whereby it seems I'm claiming protagonism is a need isn't trying to read your mind. You trying to assume that's what I was doing is as bad. Quite often you're quick to accuse others of behavior you engage in, although you have some pretty nice top cover to avoid being called on it. What are you even talking about? Being willfully difficult? This is only a concept if the game is about what the GM says it's about, and you the player have to adapt to it. If the GM is setting themes and conditions, then the game's not really about your PCs, even if you bend to this and make a PC that's about the GM's game. Sorry, then, that there's a disconnect in your understanding due to your place of origin. Pacing and dramatic beats are not about dramatic needs -- these are very different things. Pacing and dramatic beats are about how the GM is presenting story, not what story is being presented. Dramatic needs are about what the story is about. Are you sure? Many of your arguments, including the one immediately above about picking character goals that align with the GM's game being contrasted by being "difficult." If you intend something else, I'm all ears - and it would be a boon to conversation if you actually explained instead of just pouting. I thought you often caution people about engaging in discussion to just win points? What else is this about? [/QUOTE]

Verification