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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 8227795" data-attributes="member: 6698278">These examples helped I think as I was a bit in the dark what you meant myself in a few of those places.&nbsp; And with you an Umbran arguing, it's kind of like the Patriots and the Bengals playing each other.&nbsp; I'm probably just rooting for injuries.&nbsp; (kidding kidding).&nbsp; I enjoy our debates.Now to get serious.&nbsp; I feel my PC's often seek to satisfy a dramatic need but they choose one based upon the world I've presented.&nbsp; I very much think having goals as a PC are what drives the dungeon crawling in sandbox games.&nbsp; It's why domain management is often a chapter in the Old School books like ACKS.&nbsp;&nbsp; The difference I think is that achieving that dramatic end is a test of player skill.&nbsp; Can he overcome the obstacles that the world will inevitable present and achieve his goal?&nbsp;&nbsp; When you achieve the goal it can be very satisfying as a player.&nbsp; In fact, that is part of the appeal of my campaigns I think.&nbsp; It is also possible to not achieve the goal.&nbsp; So as GM, my job is not to make sure the goal happens.&nbsp; My job is to present a world that provides challenges in a reasonable way that the PC can overcome or not.&nbsp;&nbsp; At least in my approach to the game that is my job of course.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 8227795, member: 6698278"] These examples helped I think as I was a bit in the dark what you meant myself in a few of those places. And with you an Umbran arguing, it's kind of like the Patriots and the Bengals playing each other. I'm probably just rooting for injuries. (kidding kidding). I enjoy our debates. Now to get serious. I feel my PC's often seek to satisfy a dramatic need but they choose one based upon the world I've presented. I very much think having goals as a PC are what drives the dungeon crawling in sandbox games. It's why domain management is often a chapter in the Old School books like ACKS. The difference I think is that achieving that dramatic end is a test of player skill. Can he overcome the obstacles that the world will inevitable present and achieve his goal? When you achieve the goal it can be very satisfying as a player. In fact, that is part of the appeal of my campaigns I think. It is also possible to not achieve the goal. So as GM, my job is not to make sure the goal happens. My job is to present a world that provides challenges in a reasonable way that the PC can overcome or not. At least in my approach to the game that is my job of course. [/QUOTE]

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