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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fenris-77" data-source="post: 8234324" data-attributes="member: 6993955"><p>[USER=6696971]@Manbearcat[/USER]  Yeah, that's pretty much the sliding scale I was envisioning. I think where this conversation gets sticky is that the a given premise and rules set can be all over that map. I think this is because volitional play/dramatic needs are much more a function of how the GM and players play, via explicit or implicit conventions and agreements than they are of a given rules set. Some rules sets obviously support the idea more than others, but that's not, IMO, the prime mover (not that you said it was). This plays back to [USER=16814]@Ovinomancer[/USER] 's concern above that was conflating agency with dramatic needs, which I'm actually not, I'm subsuming that idea into the idea of agency and of agency-first play. Both because I think that's where it lives, but also because I don't do the one without the other when I run games (YMMV of course). Just to be tranparent about how my personal experiences and style are impacting this discussion.</p></blockquote><p></p>