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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 8239558" data-attributes="member: 6698278">The problem is that I'm not making assumptions for you.&nbsp; I'm stating my own approach and my own preferences.&nbsp; I admit you use all sorts of words that have been extended in definition from their dictionary meaning to a game design context.&nbsp;&nbsp; That is fine we all do that in our lives but where you lose people is assuming we know all this meta language and then getting upset when we don't.From day one of his thread, I've just stated things from my perspective.&nbsp; If I say such and such is shallow or non-immersive, that means I feel that way about such game constructs.&nbsp; It doesn't mean you do.&nbsp; I've stated over and over that subjective terms like immersion have to be taken as the writer's opinion.&nbsp; I cannot deny that watching paint dry is immersive to another person.&nbsp; I can't also claim that the greatest novel of all time is immersive for someone else either.&nbsp;&nbsp; You seem determined to &quot;prove&quot; that my own perceptions are wrong.&nbsp; You can't do that no matter how long and how hard you argue your point.&nbsp; Have you not heard that &quot;beauty is in the eye of the beholder&quot;?&nbsp; Well immersion, shallowness, even fun are all things in the eye of the beholder.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 8239558, member: 6698278"] The problem is that I'm not making assumptions for you. I'm stating my own approach and my own preferences. I admit you use all sorts of words that have been extended in definition from their dictionary meaning to a game design context. That is fine we all do that in our lives but where you lose people is assuming we know all this meta language and then getting upset when we don't. From day one of his thread, I've just stated things from my perspective. If I say such and such is shallow or non-immersive, that means I feel that way about such game constructs. It doesn't mean you do. I've stated over and over that subjective terms like immersion have to be taken as the writer's opinion. I cannot deny that watching paint dry is immersive to another person. I can't also claim that the greatest novel of all time is immersive for someone else either. You seem determined to "prove" that my own perceptions are wrong. You can't do that no matter how long and how hard you argue your point. Have you not heard that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"? Well immersion, shallowness, even fun are all things in the eye of the beholder. [/QUOTE]

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