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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 8242427" data-attributes="member: 6785785">Well you described it as work, and of the “ugh work” kind and not the rewarding kind, so that’s what I was saying. And no, there’s nothing wrong with treating a game like a game. What I would say is wrong is thinking that a person can’t simultaneously want to improve their skill at a game and also remain aware that it is a game. Right here:It’s just silly. It’s like saying if I want to work out and get in shape I’m going to become some muscle head with no etiquette, dropping dumbbells and&nbsp; grunting loud enough to get the entire gym’s attention.Sure that’s fine. Who here is a casual gamer? You give me a thread where a general RPG question is posed, and I’ll approach it with the idea that there may be some new or inexperienced GMs/players who may see it, and my advice will be tailored accordingly. But as I said, I don’t think anyone here in this thread at this point is likely to fit that description. We’re all gamers here. Enthusiasts of the hobby. My comments are tailored accordingly. What would it prove? I don’t know if it would prove anything...I’m simply stating what I’d expect of people engaged in this kind of conversation for this long, about a creative hobby. As I said, conversations like these (at its best parts) have expanded my enjoyment of the hobby. There have been some similar bright spots in this thread. It isn’t all just argument for the sake of argument.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 8242427, member: 6785785"] Well you described it as work, and of the “ugh work” kind and not the rewarding kind, so that’s what I was saying. And no, there’s nothing wrong with treating a game like a game. What I would say is wrong is thinking that a person can’t simultaneously want to improve their skill at a game and also remain aware that it is a game. Right here: It’s just silly. It’s like saying if I want to work out and get in shape I’m going to become some muscle head with no etiquette, dropping dumbbells and grunting loud enough to get the entire gym’s attention. Sure that’s fine. Who here is a casual gamer? You give me a thread where a general RPG question is posed, and I’ll approach it with the idea that there may be some new or inexperienced GMs/players who may see it, and my advice will be tailored accordingly. But as I said, I don’t think anyone here in this thread at this point is likely to fit that description. We’re all gamers here. Enthusiasts of the hobby. My comments are tailored accordingly. What would it prove? I don’t know if it would prove anything...I’m simply stating what I’d expect of people engaged in this kind of conversation for this long, about a creative hobby. As I said, conversations like these (at its best parts) have expanded my enjoyment of the hobby. There have been some similar bright spots in this thread. It isn’t all just argument for the sake of argument. [/QUOTE]

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