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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8244016" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>No, because they decided to go into the complex in the first place, and then they decided to examine the complex enough, to make choices that eventually led them to that deep meter shaft. And there are two approaches here: one in which you have a model in your mind of the complex and the players are genuinely exploring a space (however fictional) with clear parameters that matter, versus you just decide there is a shaft. Most games and campaigns are going to lean toward one or the other of these (and there will certainly be blending-----as I pointed out, sometimes the GM never even thinks if there ought to be a shaft, and the players asking about it will cause him or her to conclude 'yes, there ought to be one here'. Again, what you are doing here is zooming in so much we only see the binary of players ask what they see, the GM tells them....but anyone&nbsp; who has played an RPG knows the process is so much more organic and involved than that, and what drives the GMs 'decision' is going to be predicated on things like choices the players have made, what details the GM has established about the world, what ways the system constrains the GM's choices, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8244016, member: 85555"] No, because they decided to go into the complex in the first place, and then they decided to examine the complex enough, to make choices that eventually led them to that deep meter shaft. And there are two approaches here: one in which you have a model in your mind of the complex and the players are genuinely exploring a space (however fictional) with clear parameters that matter, versus you just decide there is a shaft. Most games and campaigns are going to lean toward one or the other of these (and there will certainly be blending-----as I pointed out, sometimes the GM never even thinks if there ought to be a shaft, and the players asking about it will cause him or her to conclude 'yes, there ought to be one here'. Again, what you are doing here is zooming in so much we only see the binary of players ask what they see, the GM tells them....but anyone who has played an RPG knows the process is so much more organic and involved than that, and what drives the GMs 'decision' is going to be predicated on things like choices the players have made, what details the GM has established about the world, what ways the system constrains the GM's choices, etc. [/QUOTE]

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