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<blockquote data-quote="prabe" data-source="post: 8245252" data-attributes="member: 7016699">So, in that instance, were you playing to discover your own conception of the fiction?I ask, because my top priority isn't to find out my own thinking on ... setting things. My top priority is to find out what the characters will do. Discovering that information about the Epiphany Machine comes in the form of Ramones lyrics was a salutary side effect. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😉" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" title="Winking face&nbsp; &nbsp; :wink:" data-shortname=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />I see that below, you describe it as the players learning the GM's notes. Are you considering the GM to be a player in this? I'm curious about your thinking regarding the GM's intents and priorities.I had a similar instance where a PC wanted to give a speech to a city council, to try to get them to change the law of the city more than they were intending to. That in-play process, I think, went pretty close to your description of the trial (except no one threw any grenades ...).I think we are in agreement about something needing to be established before it can be changed. I think I might describe what happened at the trial as the GM and the player/s negotiating some on the framing, and I think I'm more willing to do that than you might anticipate.I think I agree with you, mostly. Thanks for answering: It occurs to me that might have come across as putting you on the spot, and I was really more interested in how much difference you saw between the people you are ... arguing with (with varying degrees of heat).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="prabe, post: 8245252, member: 7016699"] So, in that instance, were you playing to discover your own conception of the fiction? I ask, because my top priority isn't to find out my own thinking on ... setting things. My top priority is to find out what the characters will do. Discovering that information about the Epiphany Machine comes in the form of Ramones lyrics was a salutary side effect. 😉 I see that below, you describe it as [I]the players learning the GM's notes[/I]. Are you considering the GM to be a player in this? I'm curious about your thinking regarding the GM's intents and priorities. I had a similar instance where a PC wanted to give a speech to a city council, to try to get them to change the law of the city more than they were intending to. That in-play process, I think, went pretty close to your description of the trial (except no one threw any grenades ...). I think we are in agreement about something needing to be established before it can be changed. I think I might describe what happened at the trial as the GM and the player/s negotiating some on the framing, and I think I'm more willing to do that than you might anticipate. I think I agree with you, mostly. Thanks for answering: It occurs to me that might have come across as putting you on the spot, and I was really more interested in how much difference you saw between the people you are ... arguing with (with varying degrees of heat). [/QUOTE]

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