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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 8247637" data-attributes="member: 6785785">Sure, I'm not saying that a game is only about what it rewards. It's just going to very much be about that. Anything else will be secondary, or perhaps wrapped up with the main goal of play. So in D&amp;D, most things will somehow revolve around killing monsters and taking their stuff. Not everything, for sure, but that's going to be central to most games, I would expect.And although alcoholism was an example, it's just one. The idea that a group of five people could be subjected to what is essentially an unending stream of violence and trauma and not pick up some serious flaws.....seems utterly preposterous. But that may be absolutely fine.....I've played in plenty of action/adventure style games where that's the focus and we're not really interested in the psychological/emotional/physical toll it would take on the characters. Again, it really just boils down to preference and what participants want to see in a game.Sure, I agree. I think that the option you're proposing, which as I said is similar to how D&amp;D 5E does it, is far and away the most common approach. I don't think it needs any champions in that regard......it's the way the most popular game handles it, and by many accounts, plenty of players and DMs don't even bother with the Traits, Bonds, and Flaws anyway. But I do agree it is possible. I've run a very long 5E campaign and the PCs have these kinds of elements, and they're almost entirely based on us handling as a group rather than any mechanical system in place. Although I think we benefit from having played some other games that do use those kinds of sticks and carrots, and that influences our play in 5E as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 8247637, member: 6785785"] Sure, I'm not saying that a game is only about what it rewards. It's just going to very much be about that. Anything else will be secondary, or perhaps wrapped up with the main goal of play. So in D&D, most things will somehow revolve around killing monsters and taking their stuff. Not everything, for sure, but that's going to be central to most games, I would expect. And although alcoholism was an example, it's just one. The idea that a group of five people could be subjected to what is essentially an unending stream of violence and trauma and not pick up some serious flaws.....seems utterly preposterous. But that may be absolutely fine.....I've played in plenty of action/adventure style games where that's the focus and we're not really interested in the psychological/emotional/physical toll it would take on the characters. Again, it really just boils down to preference and what participants want to see in a game. Sure, I agree. I think that the option you're proposing, which as I said is similar to how D&D 5E does it, is far and away the most common approach. I don't think it needs any champions in that regard......it's the way the most popular game handles it, and by many accounts, plenty of players and DMs don't even bother with the Traits, Bonds, and Flaws anyway. But I do agree it is possible. I've run a very long 5E campaign and the PCs have these kinds of elements, and they're almost entirely based on us handling as a group rather than any mechanical system in place. Although I think we benefit from having played some other games that do use those kinds of sticks and carrots, and that influences our play in 5E as well. [/QUOTE]

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