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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8266948" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Well, I haven’t meaningfully ever been a player in a game (I’ve been a player in a few CoC one shots and a PC in an AD&amp;D tourney style DC long ago). All I’ve done is GM.So you’d have to have to ask my players how they feel they are oriented in my games. I suspect they’d say their perspective shifts from 1st to variations of 3rd pretty routinely. They sometimes talk as their PC. They sometimes talk in reference to their PC.I suspect they’re all pretty connected to/compelled by their characters regardless of their fluctuating orientation.Me personally as GM? My cognitive workspace is always devoted to trying to make every moment of play as disciplined (from a rules and principles standpoint) and as engaging and challenging (from a thematic and decision-point standpoint) as possible. I wouldn’t say I “grind”, but there is a lot going on at every moment. And I keep the pace up as relentlessly as I can.So my personal orientation is not one of “being immersed”, at least in the sense you’re depicting. However, I am extremely held captive by the unfolding fiction and what hangs in the balance. I wonder if my players would say something similar. They’re not classically immersed, but extremely held captive by the unfolding fiction and what hangs in the balance (because every moment of play features something hanging in the balance).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8266948, member: 6696971"] Well, I haven’t meaningfully ever been a player in a game (I’ve been a player in a few CoC one shots and a PC in an AD&D tourney style DC long ago). All I’ve done is GM. So you’d have to have to ask my players how they feel they are oriented in my games. I suspect they’d say their perspective shifts from 1st to variations of 3rd pretty routinely. They sometimes talk as their PC. They sometimes talk in reference to their PC. I suspect they’re all pretty connected to/compelled by their characters regardless of their fluctuating orientation. Me personally as GM? My cognitive workspace is always devoted to trying to make every moment of play as disciplined (from a rules and principles standpoint) and as engaging and challenging (from a thematic and decision-point standpoint) as possible. I wouldn’t say I “grind”, but there is a lot going on at every moment. And I keep the pace up as relentlessly as I can. So my personal orientation is not one of “being immersed”, at least in the sense you’re depicting. However, I am [B]extremely[/B] held captive by the unfolding fiction and what hangs in the balance. I wonder if my players would say something similar. They’re not classically immersed, but extremely held captive by the unfolding fiction and what hangs in the balance (because every moment of play features something hanging in the balance). [/QUOTE]

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