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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 7627905" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>Sure, and it’s also important to recall that Tolkien isn’t the whole of Ranger class inspiration, and that it matters what folks expect *now*, and that tends to include magic, but not wizard-like magic. They surveyed and playtested for this. </p><p></p><p>The 5e Ranger isn’t unsatisfactory because it has magic, it’s unsatiafactory because it’s two main low level abilities are ribbons that require making choices, and it’s spellcasting feels weaker than even the 1/3 casters, because you know so few spells, so many of your useful spells are concentration, and the paladin is over there being mechanically similar enough that comparison is unavoidable. </p><p></p><p>It needs a balance fix. That’s all. And not even a major one, because it isn’t actually significantly behind other classes once your out of tier 1. Conceptually, the 5e Ranger is excellent. </p><p></p><p></p><p> Neither do the actual wizards in the story. </p><p></p><p> they could easily have had the same kind of rules as the rogue, but specific to survival instead of skullduggery. Instead, they had spells, because the concept was partly magical. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>He was a Ranger, who could disappear into the background like an elf. “Like an elf” in Tolkien is magic in dnd. </p><p></p><p>No no one in Tolkien throws fireballs or magic missiles or has anything like the shield spell. Gandalf fights with weapons, and does very subtle magic, and he is the Wizard of the story.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 7627905, member: 6704184"] Sure, and it’s also important to recall that Tolkien isn’t the whole of Ranger class inspiration, and that it matters what folks expect *now*, and that tends to include magic, but not wizard-like magic. They surveyed and playtested for this. The 5e Ranger isn’t unsatisfactory because it has magic, it’s unsatiafactory because it’s two main low level abilities are ribbons that require making choices, and it’s spellcasting feels weaker than even the 1/3 casters, because you know so few spells, so many of your useful spells are concentration, and the paladin is over there being mechanically similar enough that comparison is unavoidable. It needs a balance fix. That’s all. And not even a major one, because it isn’t actually significantly behind other classes once your out of tier 1. Conceptually, the 5e Ranger is excellent. Neither do the actual wizards in the story. they could easily have had the same kind of rules as the rogue, but specific to survival instead of skullduggery. Instead, they had spells, because the concept was partly magical. He was a Ranger, who could disappear into the background like an elf. “Like an elf” in Tolkien is magic in dnd. No no one in Tolkien throws fireballs or magic missiles or has anything like the shield spell. Gandalf fights with weapons, and does very subtle magic, and he is the Wizard of the story. [/QUOTE]
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