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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 7632019" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>That still isn't a concept. At all. The rogue is also that, but also other things. Most fighter subclasses are that, but also have an identity. </p><p></p><p>The fighter was popular in previous editions because it was simple and it was the only class that could be excellent at weapon use. In modern dnd its part tradition, part "here is the most basic, simple, learn to play class", and part "if you prefer a blank slate to put your own concept onto with no input from the book, play this class." </p><p></p><p>Obviously in 4e, just the addition of a role adds an actual concept to the fighter. They're a protector, a frontline tough guy who keeps enemies away from their allies. It's a thin concept, but at least it's mechanically interesting and very effective. </p><p></p><p>But in 5e, there isn't really anything there. </p><p></p><p>IMO the rogue is a better fit for the archetype you're talking about. The fighter is that guy's sidekick who is there to comment on the hero's actions and troubles and thus inform the listener/reader/audience.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 7632019, member: 6704184"] That still isn't a concept. At all. The rogue is also that, but also other things. Most fighter subclasses are that, but also have an identity. The fighter was popular in previous editions because it was simple and it was the only class that could be excellent at weapon use. In modern dnd its part tradition, part "here is the most basic, simple, learn to play class", and part "if you prefer a blank slate to put your own concept onto with no input from the book, play this class." Obviously in 4e, just the addition of a role adds an actual concept to the fighter. They're a protector, a frontline tough guy who keeps enemies away from their allies. It's a thin concept, but at least it's mechanically interesting and very effective. But in 5e, there isn't really anything there. IMO the rogue is a better fit for the archetype you're talking about. The fighter is that guy's sidekick who is there to comment on the hero's actions and troubles and thus inform the listener/reader/audience. [/QUOTE]
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