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<blockquote data-quote="BookBarbarian" data-source="post: 7632057" data-attributes="member: 6802553"><p>I've always felt mechanically classes boil down to being a mixture of Combat, Skill, and Spells*. With things like Champion and Berserker being pure combat and most Wizards and Sorcerers being pure spells with Thief being pure Skill (I know not completely true but bear with me).</p><p></p><p>Arcane Trickster gets a dash of magic. Bard gets more than a dash of skill, but still less than a Rogue. Valor Bard gets a dash of Combat too.</p><p></p><p>Ranger for me stands at the center of the venn diagram of all three (with subclasses able to specialize further in an area) This is why I've always had a tough time seeing them as purely a fighter or rogue subclass. Either of those loose too much from the other or from the Spells category.</p><p></p><p>So I still see the D&D Ranger more easily implemented as it's own class than anything else purely from a mechanical perspective.</p><p></p><p>*Note, I used to be firmly in the camp of the spell-less ranger and I'm still a huge fan of the 5e Scout Fighter form UA, but my mind was changed in regards to the D&D Ranger in no small part due to posts on this very forum.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do think there's been a rise in the prominence of the Rogue archetype. Han Solo is a much more popular archetype than Conan these days. The noble warrior was much more popular before a rise in individualism.</p><p></p><p>For example in the movie Tombstone the main character is the Wyatt Earp warrior, but the movie is entirely stolen by Kilmer's portrayal of the roguish Doc Holiday despite him being objectively the sidekick.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BookBarbarian, post: 7632057, member: 6802553"] I've always felt mechanically classes boil down to being a mixture of Combat, Skill, and Spells*. With things like Champion and Berserker being pure combat and most Wizards and Sorcerers being pure spells with Thief being pure Skill (I know not completely true but bear with me). Arcane Trickster gets a dash of magic. Bard gets more than a dash of skill, but still less than a Rogue. Valor Bard gets a dash of Combat too. Ranger for me stands at the center of the venn diagram of all three (with subclasses able to specialize further in an area) This is why I've always had a tough time seeing them as purely a fighter or rogue subclass. Either of those loose too much from the other or from the Spells category. So I still see the D&D Ranger more easily implemented as it's own class than anything else purely from a mechanical perspective. *Note, I used to be firmly in the camp of the spell-less ranger and I'm still a huge fan of the 5e Scout Fighter form UA, but my mind was changed in regards to the D&D Ranger in no small part due to posts on this very forum. I do think there's been a rise in the prominence of the Rogue archetype. Han Solo is a much more popular archetype than Conan these days. The noble warrior was much more popular before a rise in individualism. For example in the movie Tombstone the main character is the Wyatt Earp warrior, but the movie is entirely stolen by Kilmer's portrayal of the roguish Doc Holiday despite him being objectively the sidekick. [/QUOTE]
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