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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 7633368" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>No. Not only does a spell-less ranger survey poorly, it's completely unnecessary to do so, as anything other than an optional variant that stands alone. (ie, you drop it and get X ability set instead)</p><p>The ranger's spellcasting is perfectly normal. It shouldn't mimic the Paladin, nor should the class hyperfocus on DPR. The game isn't built for DPR CharOP powergaming, and that's a good thing. </p><p>The Ranger has too many of it's good spells with the concentration tag, and not enough known spells. Spellcasting doesn't need to carry the Rangers damage output to be a worthwhile feature. Every subclass gets damage boosts, and it gets Extra Attack. It's barely behind the other weapon users, and isn't even behind them at every tier. </p><p></p><p> I don't know what post you read that you think this is a counterpoint to. </p><p></p><p>And CharOp comparisons don't matter. Objectively. They're fun. That's it. </p><p></p><p> No, they won't. </p><p></p><p> This whole tirade is so patently absurd that I don't even know where to start. The ranger doesn't need any kind of overhaul, or to lose abilities in favor of a less interesting class with higher DPR. DPR is a small part of the game. </p><p></p><p>The ranger needs it's early features to contribute to success reliably, and to not be stuck with a number of spell options comparable to a paladin with a 12 charisma. Making Hunter's Mark not a concentration spell would help, or making some of the other attack spells not concentration. Before you even say it for the thousandth time, no, it isn't a problem that HM is a bonus action. You're not casting it every round, and it applies to every attack. It's fine. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely a great optional variant. I mean, I think an "Aragorn" that isn't adjusted at all for being in a vastly higher magic setting works just fine as a righter or rogue, but a Ranger option to trade spells for maneuvers would be fine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 7633368, member: 6704184"] No. Not only does a spell-less ranger survey poorly, it's completely unnecessary to do so, as anything other than an optional variant that stands alone. (ie, you drop it and get X ability set instead) The ranger's spellcasting is perfectly normal. It shouldn't mimic the Paladin, nor should the class hyperfocus on DPR. The game isn't built for DPR CharOP powergaming, and that's a good thing. The Ranger has too many of it's good spells with the concentration tag, and not enough known spells. Spellcasting doesn't need to carry the Rangers damage output to be a worthwhile feature. Every subclass gets damage boosts, and it gets Extra Attack. It's barely behind the other weapon users, and isn't even behind them at every tier. I don't know what post you read that you think this is a counterpoint to. And CharOp comparisons don't matter. Objectively. They're fun. That's it. No, they won't. This whole tirade is so patently absurd that I don't even know where to start. The ranger doesn't need any kind of overhaul, or to lose abilities in favor of a less interesting class with higher DPR. DPR is a small part of the game. The ranger needs it's early features to contribute to success reliably, and to not be stuck with a number of spell options comparable to a paladin with a 12 charisma. Making Hunter's Mark not a concentration spell would help, or making some of the other attack spells not concentration. Before you even say it for the thousandth time, no, it isn't a problem that HM is a bonus action. You're not casting it every round, and it applies to every attack. It's fine. Absolutely a great optional variant. I mean, I think an "Aragorn" that isn't adjusted at all for being in a vastly higher magic setting works just fine as a righter or rogue, but a Ranger option to trade spells for maneuvers would be fine. [/QUOTE]
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